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05. 08 2008

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[00:20:44] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65529 /doctools/branches/0.4.x/ (10 files in 4 dirs):
[00:20:44] <CIA-41> python-doctools: Revert r65499 which was not well thought out. Instead, put
[00:20:44] <CIA-41> python-doctools: the whole build dir in exclude_trees by default in quickstart.
[00:20:44] <CIA-41> python-doctools: Also, revisit application cleanup and make it consistently use
[00:20:44] <CIA-41> python-doctools: less setup time while still trying to leave to traces.
[00:21:43] <rocky> is there anyway to make TextPress display the full blog posts on the main blog index page ?
[00:22:11] <aa_> ronny: hack the template
[00:22:13] <aa_> oops!
[00:22:17] <aa_> rocky:
[00:22:19] <rocky> oh it's a template thing?
[00:22:30] <aa_> well, yeah
[00:22:49] <rocky> well i just assumed that all of the themes displayed the same content, just using different styling
[00:23:20] <aa_> well, yes that couldbe true too
[00:23:28] <aa_> theme can pretty much do anything, so can a tempalte
[00:23:29] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65530 /doctools/ (10 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[00:23:29] <CIA-41> python-doctools: Merged revisions 65529 via svnmerge from
[00:23:29] <CIA-41> python-doctools: svn+ssh://pythondev@svn.python.org/doctools/branches/0.4.x
[00:23:29] <CIA-41> python-doctools: ........
[00:23:29] <CIA-41> python-doctools: r65529 | georg.brandl | 2008-08-04 22:19:30 +0000 (Mon, 04 Aug 2008) | 6 lines
[00:23:29] <CIA-41> python-doctools: Revert r65499 which was not well thought out. Instead, put
[00:23:34] <CIA-41> python-doctools: the whole build dir in exclude_trees by default in quickstart.
[00:24:01] <aa_> birkenfeld: is sphinx-quickstart all hand coded or is there some cool library?
[00:24:10] <aa_> birkenfeld: and you OWN the ansii colours
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[00:27:01] <rocky> weird, the render_post macro tries to do "post.intro or post.body" ... which should work fine
[00:27:34] <aa_> no, you don't want an or there, you want and
[00:27:43] <aa_> rocky: in fact you could just override that macro
[00:27:51] <aa_> _post.html I think it is
[00:27:57] <birkenfeld> aa_: hehe
[00:27:59] <rocky> sure i do... in python-sense, "post.intro or post.body" should print post.body if post.intro is empty (which it is in my case)
[00:28:01] <birkenfeld> aa_: it's hand coded
[00:28:31] <aa_> birkenfeld: shame, I find myself with a load of these terminal yes/no directory + startup generators
[00:28:59] <aa_> rocky: you said you want the full post content
[00:28:59] <birkenfeld> well, it could be made into a library of course... but ATM it's nothing substantial
[00:29:15] <aa_> call it Cleopatra?
[00:30:39] <rocky> aa_: sorry, i just meant i want the post body... since my post intros are empty
[00:30:53] <aa_> then it should work
[00:31:23] <rocky> http://www.serverzen.net/ shouldn't be happening then
[00:31:55] <aa_> rocky: probably not, no
[00:31:59] <birkenfeld> aa_: nice name
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[00:38:01] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65532 /doctools/branches/0.4.x/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add a test file for misc. markup and fix a doc bug.
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[03:56:55] <rocky> aa_: i figured it out, it's a problem with the rST parser plugin ... when i use the rST parser all my main page posts end up empty
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[04:13:56] <aa_> rocky: oh I see
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[04:41:48] <thatch> rocky, aa_: what's the reST parser problem?
[04:44:51] <thatch> oh, I see. I doubt api changes, probably a bug. If you set intro text, does it work?
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[10:03:51] <asmodai> Miquel de Icaza: the joker of OSS
[10:03:53] <asmodai> de Icaza: I think we could refresh the look and feel of the entire desktop. To be realistic I don't think we can do absolutely everything that would take years. So if I would have my choice today I would probably rewrite the gnome panel completely with Moonlight.
[10:04:03] <asmodai> I wouldn't go as far as doing the file manager although I think it would be great to do a new file manager or improve Nautilus but it would be a lot of work.
[10:04:28] <Chairos> ha ha
[10:09:10] <asmodai> Now, C# is quite nice, I concur.
[10:09:23] <asmodai> But Icaza really has Microsoft so far up his butthole it ain't funny anymore.
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[10:14:02] <birkenfeld> oh, great
[10:14:07] <birkenfeld> another reason not to use gnome
[10:16:52] <asmodai> birkenfeld: yeah
[10:17:02] <asmodai> birkenfeld: btw, end of MoI is actually quite emotionally intense.
[10:27:58] <birkenfeld> asmodai: I so like the multilayered endings of all the books so far
[10:28:16] <birkenfeld> somehow, everything manages to converge
[10:28:26] <asmodai> yeah
[10:28:39] <asmodai> I wonder if he knew most of the storylines long in advance
[10:29:17] <birkenfeld> I guess so, you *have* to plan that kind of stories
[10:30:02] <birkenfeld> else it's just going to be a series of loosely connected adventures
[10:30:05] * asmodai nods
[10:30:32] <birkenfeld> btw, did you read the Potter books?
[10:30:39] <asmodai> all of 'm
[10:30:57] <birkenfeld> it's the same there
[10:31:10] <asmodai> one big story line you mean?
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[10:31:30] <birkenfeld> yes, and very careful unveilment
[10:31:32] <birkenfeld> (is that a word?)
[10:33:07] <asmodai> Unveiling?
[10:33:30] <birkenfeld> yeah
[10:33:36] <birkenfeld> that's better
[10:35:53] <asmodai> Although I found the Potter books to be quite unimaginative in a lot of places.
[10:39:05] <birkenfeld> I guess the scope is a different one
[10:40:29] <asmodai> Oh hell yea :)
[10:47:21] <aa_> the potter books are very very british
[10:47:31] <aa_> like veery very very
[10:49:26] <asmodai> very very very
[10:51:23] <aa_> (morning chaps)
[11:01:36] <ronny> oo
[11:01:38] <ronny> moin
[11:03:58] <Chairos> anyone know how best to get ahold of mitsuhiko?
[11:05:50] <birkenfeld> Chairos: waiting until he's back from holiday might be the best strategy :)
[11:05:59] <birkenfeld> aa_: I like the British
[11:06:06] <Chairos> birkenfeld: when will that be?
[11:06:10] <birkenfeld> aa_: do you know the book "Watching the English"?
[11:06:13] <birkenfeld> Chairos: no, sorry
[11:06:20] <birkenfeld> apollo13 might know
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[11:31:59] <aa_> birkenfeld: no, I don't but it sounds fun
[11:33:40] <asmodai> Chairos: 10 days or so
[11:33:53] <aa_> is it "thread locality" or "thread localness"
[11:34:20] <Chairos> ok
[11:34:48] <birkenfeld> localness sounds weird to me
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[11:55:07] <asmodai> w 12
[11:56:35] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65546 /doctools/branches/0.4.x/sphinx/ (templates/search.html static/searchtools.js): Show an indication while downloading the search index.
[12:09:49] <aa_> yeah I went with locality
[12:10:04] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65547 /doctools/branches/0.4.x/ (sphinx/htmlwriter.py CHANGES): Fix an indentation problem in production lists. #3477.
[12:12:27] <asmodai> thread locality about 980000 hits versus 3900 for thread localness
[12:12:49] <birkenfeld> oh yes, google wars :)
[12:13:41] <asmodai> ;)
[12:13:47] <aa_> oh good work
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[12:24:31] <rocky> aa_: something related to the rST paster is putting in "<div class="document">\n</div>" into the intro even when it's blank
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[12:26:57] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65548 /doctools/trunk/ (CHANGES sphinx/application.py doc/ext/appapi.rst):
[12:26:57] <CIA-41> python-doctools: ``Sphinx.add_node()`` now takes optional visitor methods for the HTML,
[12:26:57] <CIA-41> python-doctools: LaTeX and text translators; this prevents having to manually patch
[12:26:57] <CIA-41> python-doctools: the classes.
[12:31:03] <aa_> rocky: sounds nasty
[12:31:12] <aa_> rocky: actually, sounds quiite fixable
[12:34:59] <rocky> yeah, it's basically because the rST will spit out something like that even when given an empty string
[12:35:28] <ronny> docutils sucks :/
[12:41:56] <aa_> rocky: then perhaps strip() the output
[12:42:09] <rocky> strip() is not enough because it puts in an empty div
[12:42:21] <aa_> oh, I see
[12:42:22] <aa_> evil
[12:42:23] <rocky> what i'll do is if the input coming in is empty ... don't bother doc-tizing it
[12:42:33] <aa_> could do that, yeah
[12:42:41] <rocky> if i can make this stupid .plugin work
[12:42:54] <rocky> i really dislike the fact that plugins are some proprietary format rather than straight-up eggs
[12:43:45] <aa_> they are hardly proprietary format
[12:43:50] <aa_> they are just packages
[12:44:28] <rocky> packaged in a way that only textpress knows how to deal with (ie custom entry point mechanism, custom metadata info storage, etc) == proprietary
[12:46:03] <maze> or, output = node.text.strip() and lexer(node.text) or ''
[12:46:16] <rocky> so .plugin's are just zip files right?
[12:46:27] <aa_> oh those
[12:46:56] <aa_> I think "not using eggs" is a feature
[12:47:06] <rocky> whoa, not i
[12:47:43] <aa_> setuptools
[12:48:11] <aa_> hideous
[12:48:11] * asmodai cracks an egg over aa_'s head
[12:48:11] <aa_> nevermind, I always get in trouble for voicing this opinion
[12:48:55] <rocky> i'm zipping up this stupid .plugin and uploading to my textpress and it's barfing saying it can't write to the directory
[12:49:05] <asmodai> aa_: :)
[12:50:24] <aa_> rocky: well, it doesn't have to be a zip, does it
[12:50:35] <aa_> it could be an unzipped thing in your instance
[12:50:37] <rocky> bah, i need a better error msg than textpress saying it couldn't write the package data files and asking if it's a permissions problem (which it definitely is not)
[12:51:56] <aa_> rocky: should the error message say "Remember you are using unreleased Alpha software" ?
[12:52:13] <aa_> rocky: so please report bug, write patch, etc etc :)
[12:52:37] <rocky> it should blow up with a python traceback which i can debug ... that's how *true* alpha software should work :)
[12:53:09] <aa_> yeah good point
[12:53:21] <aa_> I guess "bad error messages" are more Beta
[12:53:26] <rocky> hehe yeah
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[12:57:42] <rocky> hehe, the plugin extraction code is quite crude, it doesn't deal with empty dir entries in zip files
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[13:09:32] <rocky> aa_: k... got a version of the reST plugin now that works ;)
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[16:02:26] <fredreichbier> Hello. I have a problem using textpress and pygments_support plugin. The nginx syntax won't work; other do. I have installed pygments from hg and testing the nginx output with pygmentize works, too. Somebody having an idea on that?
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[16:14:49] <Kaelten> mitsuhiko still on vacation?
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[17:08:30] <zero-one> hmm.. i dont get it ... im playing with werkzeug but .. when i create a file projectname.wsgi with the content from projectname.application import application ... where application is a function that prints hello world... it is not working .. but when i copy&paste the code of this function to the projectname.wsgi it all works right .. so where is the error in the import statement .. can anyone tell me?
[17:26:15] * luks wonders what software runs .wsgi files
[17:29:40] <EnTeQuAk> luks, apache + mod_wsgi for example uses .wsgi files :)
[17:29:55] <zero-one> apache mod_wsgi
[17:29:57] <luks> so this sounds like a mod_wsgi bug, right?
[17:30:20] <zero-one> i dont know .. maybe i do importing wrong or something like that
[17:30:47] <aa_> zero-one: sounds like a python path issue
[17:32:06] <zero-one> aa_: so i have to write in each webapp a line to add it to the pythonpath?
[17:32:28] <aa_> zero-one: yes, usually
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[17:33:33] <zero-one> aa_: can u tell me in what file to write the stuff?
[17:34:24] <aa_> zero-one: well, basically you will import sys.path, and call sys.path.insert(0, '/some/path')
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[17:39:03] <zero-one> aa_: yes i understand.. but where have i to write this ... application.py?
[17:39:21] <aa_> zero-one: probably in your wsgi file
[17:47:55] <dennda> zero-one: mod_wsgi does not allow printing to stdout
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[17:54:34] <EnTeQuAk> lol
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[18:05:48] <zero-one> dennda: i know
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[18:17:48] <zero-one> hmm .. ok now i understand .. it seams that i have to restart apache everytime i did a change to the code...
[18:18:02] <zero-one> is there a posibility to make this automaticaly somehow?
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[18:24:28] <Kaelten> zero-one, not really. you can tell it to relaunch the thread ever request, but that'd be bad for performance
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[18:45:01] <Chairos> zero-one: you may find http://pythonpaste.org/modules/reloader.html#module-paste.reloader to be of use
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[19:17:03] <ronny> zero-one: you develop on apache ?
[19:17:13] <ronny> zero-one: you could touch the wsgi file on every change
[19:17:26] <zero-one> ronny: i tried it .. but now i youse the built-in server
[19:17:39] <zero-one> use
[19:18:04] <ronny> zero-one: for develoment the buildin one is more nice, you just have to test on apache every now and then
[19:18:39] <zero-one> ronny: maybe you can help me .. i ve got another import issue
[19:19:07] <zero-one> def get_handler(endpoint):
[19:19:07] <zero-one> import_path = "controllers.%s" % endpoint
[19:19:07] <zero-one> return import_string(import_path)
[19:19:30] <zero-one> when i call this .. i get no "No module named controllers"
[19:19:59] <zero-one> but there is an controllers directory
[19:20:13] <zero-one> within the project
[19:29:03] <ronny> zero-one: wrong package name ?
[19:29:26] <ronny> if your controllers dir is in myproject.controllers.foo you have to import from there and not from controllers
[19:34:55] <zero-one> ronny: no i do import projectname.controllers.view_file but it tells me: projectname.controllers.basic
[19:35:24] <zero-one> No module named projectname.controllers.basic
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[21:03:57] <izibi> i get this traceback when i try to load the index page of textpress: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81310/ can someone help me?
[21:05:27] <apollo13> izibi: is jinja2 up2date? afk
[21:06:23] <izibi> i did hg pull -u 5 minutes ago or so... should be up to date ;)
[21:10:04] <izibi> hmm.. replacing hg version with stable version solves the problem..
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[21:15:56] <apollo13> izibi: besides that the textpress repo is corrupted currently
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[21:17:00] <tux21b> apollo13, are you sure? i can pull, commit and backout. where is the problem?
[21:17:21] <apollo13> tux21b: http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/textpress/changeset/415 <-- so that's just fine?
[21:17:36] <izibi> looks like textpress is working now...
[21:18:40] <tux21b> apollo13, ah, ok. didn't know that
[21:19:27] <apollo13> tux21b: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81315/
[21:20:00] <izibi> there's a little bug in the admin interface (/admin/options/base): <label for="pings_enabled">use flat comments</label> can someone change the for attribute, please?
[21:22:24] <tux21b> izibi, change it and create a "hg bundle" :)
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[21:30:48] <izibi> i've executed hg bundle textpress/templates/admin/basic_options.html and now? :D
[21:31:51] <tux21b> izibi, send it to someone here with commit access (e.g me *g*) or create a ticket with attachment in the trac
[21:32:24] <izibi> an which file? :D can't find one with a name like bundle :P
[21:33:38] <tux21b> hmm, i don't know, try "hg bundle <filename>" ^^
[21:34:55] <thatch> izibi: you commit, then hg bundle -r <REV> output.bundle
[21:35:15] <thatch> the filename you give is where to write the bundle...
[21:35:31] <izibi> oh, i've overritten the template :D shit :D
[21:37:31] <tux21b> izibi, in general, first made your changes, then commit them, and send us a bundle with the changes so that we can review them
[21:37:42] <tux21b> maybe hg revert will help you to restore the file
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[21:45:14] <izibi> http://team.xairro.com/~julian/dev/textpress_bundle so much stupid work for this little file :D
[21:45:37] <ronny> oO
[21:46:18] <ronny> wth, my textpress repo is corrupt
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[21:53:34] <tux21b> ronny, not only yours ;)
[21:54:09] <ronny> i have some merges in there
[21:56:42] <tux21b> ronny, as it seems all files >rev414 must be rehashed, so if you have un-pushed changes, leave them pls :)
[21:57:06] <ronny> tux21b: i allready have 2 public repos on other servers
[21:58:54] <tux21b> yeah, they are br0ken too if you update them regularly...
[22:28:11] <izibi> http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/textpress/report/6
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[22:32:10] <zerok> servus :)
[22:33:19] <zerok> birkenfeld, in the current setup.py for sphinx there are a couple of packages missing (like sphinx.util etc.) :-)
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[22:59:54] <ronny> mm
[23:00:47] <ronny> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81330 <- comments please
[23:01:01] <ronny> (imho its superiour to database managers)
[23:02:38] <ronny> tux21b: btw, would such a thing be usefull for inyoka
[23:03:37] <tux21b> ronny, yeah, might be, but we still need to find a solution for hooking the save, delete and other custom (split, move, ...) functions
[23:04:14] <ronny> tux21b: save/delete would be on session
[23:04:35] <ronny> tux21b: what exactly about split/move ?
[23:05:00] <tux21b> i think there was a problem with sessions too, but i cant remember exactly
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[23:05:38] <ronny> oh, i just lost count of terminals
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[23:18:33] <plaes> column 'mame' ?
[23:18:57] <ronny> typo in name
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