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08. 08 2008

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[00:24:29] <zerok> lol, you wouldn't believe how long i looked for the "documentation" string in the site's title ;)
[00:33:01] <zerok> birkenfeld, ok, imo done. at what email do you want to have it? :-)
[00:34:50] <zerok> ohoh .... don't say that git messed up the branches ...
[00:35:52] <zerok> fsck
[00:37:40] <zerok> damn, it was always using the 0.4.x branch .... so everything again :-(((((
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[00:59:26] <zerok> birkenfeld, sorry, will take another day to clean up that mess :-/
[00:59:37] <zerok> gn8 then :-(
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[01:45:48] <s0undt3ch> ppl, what happened to widgets in latest textpress source code?
[02:12:29] <ronny> partial removal du to crappy api/admin
[02:13:02] <ronny> hmm, im getting unhappy with textpress
[02:13:18] <ronny> writing long blog posts is no fun out of an editor
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[02:52:37] <_paneb> i am following the tutorial (Shorty), but when i get to the "adding some urls" part, sqlalchemy throws: InvalidRequestError: No transaction is begun.
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[03:20:58] <empty> _paneb: I see no such title
[03:21:38] <_paneb> it's at the end of "Part 3: Database Models"
[03:23:34] <empty> _paneb: what version of SA are you using.
[03:23:48] <_paneb> 0.5beta3
[03:24:10] <empty> _paneb: and you're using autocommit=False?
[03:24:18] <_paneb> True
[03:24:21] <_paneb> autocommit=True
[03:24:24] <empty> nah
[03:24:25] <empty> False
[03:24:45] <_paneb> ah
[03:24:46] <empty> transactional=True == autocommit=False
[03:24:54] <_paneb> doh
[03:26:15] <_paneb> thanks, that was it. i assumed wrong about the autocommit
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[07:26:50] <davidcramer> how do I apply a bundle?
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[08:39:20] <zerok> morning :)
[08:41:12] <birkenfeld> good morning zerok
[08:44:22] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65590 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/static/ (default.css sphinxdoc.css): No border around the logo.
[08:45:57] <zerok> at least some hunks for the patch i wrote for .4 work also on trunk ^_^
[08:51:19] <birkenfeld> great
[08:59:57] <zerok> the only part, that i can't really translate is the search-releated javascript
[09:02:17] <birkenfeld> hm, yes
[09:02:39] <birkenfeld> maybe we'll have to put the strings into a global variable in the HTML
[09:02:56] <zerok> in combination with some sprinf, yes :-/
[09:03:10] <birkenfeld> or in some <div>s with display:none
[09:03:51] <zerok> but from what i can tell, the rest of the patch (at least for building static html pages) is ready. to what address do you want to have it sent? :-)
[09:04:56] <birkenfeld> georg@python.org
[09:05:11] <zerok> k, just skimming over it one last time :)
[09:05:42] <zerok> and updating to your changes from last-night..now ;)
[09:20:32] <zerok> sent
[09:21:24] <zerok> the patch also includes the .mo file for convenience ^_^
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[11:36:48] <ronny> birkenfeld: yo, sup?
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[11:51:19] <birkenfeld> zerok: how large is the patch?
[11:51:27] <zerok> 110K
[11:51:30] <birkenfeld> or, rather, the email
[11:51:34] <birkenfeld> because I didn't get it yet
[11:51:50] <zerok> weird. will upload it to a site then
[11:52:12] <birkenfeld> yes
[11:53:33] <zerok> http://zerokspot.com/uploads/0.5.x_i18n.diff
[11:54:07] <birkenfeld> strange
[11:54:08] <zerok> gmail is really becoming more and more a pain :-/
[11:54:11] <birkenfeld> there it is
[11:54:19] <zerok> in your inbox?
[11:54:22] <birkenfeld> yes
[11:54:25] <zerok> ^_^
[11:54:30] <birkenfeld> with a time of 7:19
[11:54:53] <zerok> utc?
[11:55:11] <birkenfeld> yes
[11:55:18] <birkenfeld> but why is thunderbird showing me utc?
[11:55:42] <zerok> :-/
[12:06:09] <birkenfeld> zerok: are the setup.py modifications needed?
[12:07:41] <zerok> ah sorry, everything except the packages-change happened when moving from 0.4 to trunk, my bad. the change to the packages might only've been necessary without a manifest
[12:07:47] <zerok> will try not ;)
[12:07:48] <zerok> now
[12:10:12] <zerok> i previously had the problem, that for some reason the subpackages were not installed, so i first tried it there and then using the manifest and totally forgot about the package changes
[12:10:51] <zerok> ok, none of the changes to the setup.py seem to be necessary
[12:10:54] <birkenfeld> setuptools normally keeps track of that
[12:11:06] <birkenfeld> as soon as the files are in svn
[12:11:35] <zerok> which is a problem when you're working with archived packages, hence the Manifest.in
[12:11:41] <birkenfeld> yep
[12:12:18] <birkenfeld> hmm, I think it's better to just have the "language" setting
[12:12:27] <birkenfeld> the default will be None which means no i18n
[12:12:29] <ronny> birkenfeld: btw, congrats to the PSF award
[12:12:48] <zerok> birkenfeld, k
[12:12:49] <birkenfeld> thanks :)
[12:13:13] <zerok> birkenfeld, great, congrats :)
[12:13:16] <birkenfeld> zerok: I'm making all changes in my WC now, thanks to your great work there's not much left to do :)
[12:14:03] <zerok> birkenfeld, no problem :-) was great having contributed at least something small to something as great as sphinx :)
[12:14:57] <birkenfeld> don't exaggerate ;)
[12:15:28] <zerok> ^_^
[12:29:45] <birkenfeld> zerok: how are you calling babel to extract and compile the catalogs?
[12:30:32] <zerok> python setup.py extract_messages, python setup.py update_catalog, python setup.py compile_catalog
[12:30:55] <birkenfeld> thanks
[12:31:11] <zerok> reminds me that i haven't tried if the setup.py works without babel :-/
[12:34:12] <zerok> jupp, still works, so no need to add babel as requirement
[12:34:27] <zerok> s/requirement/dependency/
[12:36:09] <birkenfeld> great
[12:36:47] <zerok> http://twitter.com/zerok/statuses/880733585 ^_^
[12:41:03] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65596 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/templates/web: Remove old web templates.
[12:41:32] <zerok> gach ^_^
[12:41:41] <zerok> those were the hardest to translate :P
[12:50:28] <birkenfeld> I'm sorry... I thought they had been removed long ago
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[12:51:29] <zerok> no problem :-) wasn't *that* much compared to the admin templates ^_^
[12:51:47] <zerok> oh .... ^_^
[12:52:16] <zerok> damn you ;-)
[12:52:34] <birkenfeld> your patch has another flaw
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[12:53:05] <zerok> where?
[12:53:09] <birkenfeld> you didn't put yourself in the copyright headers :)
[12:53:26] <zerok> damn me ^_^
[12:53:35] <zerok> damn us ^_^
[12:54:06] <birkenfeld> okay, the patch has landed!
[12:54:18] <birkenfeld> I'll make a call in the mailing list for more languages
[12:54:19] <zerok> tnx :-) i guess i should stop coding after 12am ;)
[12:54:26] <zerok> great, thanks :)
[12:59:46] <birkenfeld> I have to thank you
[13:03:40] <apollo13> birkenfeld: did you fix the hg repo, or did tux21​b fix it?
[13:13:22] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65597 /doctools/trunk/ (29 files in 8 dirs): Add i18n support, thanks to Horst Gutmann.
[13:13:22] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65598 /doctools/trunk/doc/conf.py: English is nice for the official docs nevertheless.
[13:31:19] <ronny> birkenfeld: im wondering, how would one build generators on c-level, a state-machine?
[13:34:58] <prencher> ronny - one approach is a struct with a generation associated (just an integer) and whatever state the generator needs, then a function you pss that struct on each call
[13:37:09] <ronny> im toying with the idea of writing a simple python->c translator
[13:37:25] <xorAxAx> hah
[13:38:06] <ronny> xorAxAx: well, pypy is simply useless for my cause
[13:41:30] <prencher> ronny - there was a summer of code project
[13:42:14] <prencher> shed skin
[13:42:26] <prencher> http://sourceforge.net/projects/shedskin/
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[13:50:16] <ronny> prencher: not quite what i want
[13:55:21] <ronny> prencher: that generating quite stupid c++ code, kinda a waste of compiler time
[13:55:27] <ronny> also it needs tonns of wrappers
[13:55:32] <ronny> bad again
[13:56:24] <ronny> in most of the cases c++ is one of the most stupid backends to chose for a codegenerator
[14:01:22] <xorAxAx> ronny: pypy is not a python to c translator
[14:02:20] <ronny> xorAxAx: yup, but its not like pypy will need any python2c translator later on
[14:02:26] <xorAxAx> ?
[14:02:37] <ronny> it will just be fast enough
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[15:26:30] <zerok> http://geodjango.org/docs/ is perhaps also something for http://sphinx.pocoo.org/examples.html :)
[15:31:24] <davidcramer> anyone used this: http://www.hscale.org/display/HSCALE/Home
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[16:05:27] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65599 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/builder.py: Oops.
[16:06:25] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65600 /doctools/trunk/ (11 files in 7 dirs): Add Czech translation by Pavel Kosina, and use Unicode gettext methods throughout.
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[17:45:32] <zerok> re :)
[17:47:52] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65602 /doctools/trunk/EXAMPLES: Add dev.mixin.com, which has a nice theme.
[17:47:52] <CIA-41> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65603 /doctools/trunk/EXAMPLES: Link to group instead of direct email link.
[17:49:08] <david`bgk> great :)
[17:49:24] <birkenfeld> hi david`bgk :)
[17:49:30] <david`bgk> hi
[17:49:40] <zerok> why do i always forget about ugettext ... *rolleyes* sorry
[17:53:40] <david`bgk> birkenfeld, reading list's archives I realize that you plan to turn sphinx i18n compliant?
[17:55:31] <birkenfeld> planned
[17:56:49] <birkenfeld> at least translation is already done
[17:56:55] <birkenfeld> thanks toMpEr
[17:56:58] <birkenfeld> thanks to zerok
[17:57:47] <david`bgk> that's great, we'd talked about that on #django-fr (ping KAeL :)
[17:58:35] <david`bgk> do you need a French translation?
[17:58:40] <birkenfeld> that would be nice
[17:59:43] <david`bgk> ok, let me know where I can grab the .po file (if it uses gettext)
[18:00:11] <birkenfeld> yes: http://svn.python.org/projects/doctools/trunk/sphinx/locale/sphinx.pot
[18:01:37] <david`bgk> thanks, that's shorter than I thought
[18:02:07] <zerok> david`bgk, it was much longer with the old "web" templates in them :)
[18:02:43] <david`bgk> heh
[18:03:22] <zerok> i still don't really understand, why the german umlaute worked without ugettext, though :-/
[18:03:33] <birkenfeld> zerok: me neither
[18:03:53] <zerok> probably just to annoy me :P
[18:04:05] <zerok> to hit me in the nuts while i'm already down :P
[18:04:52] <birkenfeld> as if life wasn't cruel enough without unicode ;)
[18:05:19] <david`bgk> birkenfeld, if the translation is the same, I keep an empty string or a paste the same?
[18:05:27] <birkenfeld> paste the same
[18:05:38] <birkenfeld> otherwise it's going to be flagged as untranslated
[18:08:00] <david`bgk> ok
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[18:26:34] <david`bgk> birkenfeld, what is the context of "Suggest Change", I hadn't used it yet(?)
[18:27:31] <birkenfeld> david`bgk: it's dead :)
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[18:28:16] <david`bgk> grrr
[18:29:06] <david`bgk> I'll ask for a review but here is a first draft http://vrac.biologeek.com/sphinx.pot
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[19:51:25] <asmodai> tadaima
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[21:20:30] <matt_good> ok, transition to TextPress is pretty much done ... now I need to actually start writing more :) http://blog.matt-good.net/
[21:21:29] <matt_good> does TextPress support any standard RPC posting protocols?
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[22:27:34] <asmodai> birkenfeld: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b75cl4-qRE
[22:36:01] <birkenfeld> asmodai: lol
[22:36:11] <asmodai> birkenfeld: it's a joke btw
[22:36:17] <asmodai> like 50% mighe be true
[22:36:18] <asmodai> might
[22:36:24] <birkenfeld> I gathered
[22:36:31] <asmodai> made by 2 japanese comedians
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[22:40:45] <birkenfeld> very nice
[22:40:52] <asmodai> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tlb5XjeKlk
[23:55:10] <david`bgk> birkenfeld, same url, the translation has been reviewed, you can include it
[23:55:27] <david`bgk> I can send it to you by email