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<mitsuhiko> |
tux21b: pong |
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<tux21b> |
mitsuhiko, i have a problem with recursive loops and cycle. do you know a way to continue the cycle? :) |
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<tux21b> |
even {% set odd = not odd %} doesn't work because you cant modify variables in a inner block |
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<mitsuhiko> |
what do you mean by "continue the cycle"? |
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<tux21b> |
calling loop(subelements) now causes loop.cycle to begin from the start again for the inner loop |
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<tux21b> |
i don't like this behavior. should i try to write a patch, or is there any other way to solve this? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
tux21b: do you have an example template showing the problem/behavior? |
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<tux21b> |
mitsuhiko, yep, the default textpress template, with nested comments and a additional odd attribute :) |
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<tux21b> |
but i can write a small example if you want too |
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<mitsuhiko> |
small example would be good |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: mono and C# are cool but isn't vala better since it runs native? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: nope |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: explanation :P |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the reason why i like c# is not only the language but also the fact that it's *not* native |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but powered by a language agnostic framework |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i can easily fire up ironpython do "from System.Reflection import Assembly; app = Assembly.Load('app.exe');" and explore the application from my python interpreter |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that's something vala can't do |
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<mitsuhiko> |
"""There’s no Eclipse-plugin for Mono. So Mono is completely unusable.""" |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that's the best one so far ;) |
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<sebner> |
bullshit -.- |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: do you know if vala also can be ported to windows? I suppose, no hmm? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
why shouldn't vala compile on windows? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
after all it's just a c preprocessor |
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<sebner> |
well for now it heavily uses glib and such stuff |
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<birkenfeld> |
mitsuhiko: should I write a troll comment too? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
well. glib is not a linux thing |
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<mitsuhiko> |
birkenfeld: oh sure :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
there is even a reddit thread now with more than 150 comments :) |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: I'm just thinking about the problems of porting windows c# programs to linux and the other way round |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: that's no problem at all |
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<mitsuhiko> |
unless of course you are using windows api or linux apis not available on windows |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that is Windows.Forms or Gnome.Gconf or something |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: what do you propose for graphical tihngs? |
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<sebner> |
*things |
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<mitsuhiko> |
in .net you mean? |
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<sebner> |
sure |
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<mitsuhiko> |
probably wx.net |
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<sebner> |
hmm |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but to be frank. by now i doubt anyone wants to write one gui for all three platforms |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that just doesn't work out |
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<sebner> |
If somebody would update windows gtk# 2.8 to gtk#.2.12 |
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<mitsuhiko> |
there are many more differences than just the toolkits they use |
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<sebner> |
At least for many portability is important and then they use foo java or python |
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<mitsuhiko> |
windows has the infamous "apply" button, os x has a different menu layout, keyboard shortcuts and instant-apply dialogs, and gtk has dbus and other technology you only find there |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: so C# seems pretty a bad choise when writing software not only for one platform :\ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: why? |
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<tux21b> |
mitsuhiko, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/82428/ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
in what way are python or c superior? |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: so, more or less problems with every language? |
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<ronny> |
hmm |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: sure |
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<tux21b> |
we could add a param to the loop() call, to tell the inner loop to begin from the start or not |
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<ronny> |
vala is pretty much introspectable once compiled |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: which application do you know that looks native on os x, windows and gnome? |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: the question is now what is more and what is less :) |
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<tux21b> |
i am off now. gn8 |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: amarok :P |
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<ronny> |
actually i dont really care if its a vm or not, cause anything but win32 has a sane package-distribution system |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: nope |
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<mitsuhiko> |
amarok looks like ass on os x for example |
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<mitsuhiko> |
and it doesn't look native on windows either |
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<sebner> |
well, wx stuff? |
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<ronny> |
wx is hell |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: no, wx application look native pretty much nowhere |
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<sebner> |
^^ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
best on windows maybe, but that's just because windows is an inconsistent user interface hell anyways |
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<mitsuhiko> |
every major microsoft product introduces a new style |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: so, you know an application? |
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<ronny> |
i simply prefer gtk/vala cause its made to be bound by dynamic languages |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: no, i know not a single application that looks native on all three platforms |
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<mitsuhiko> |
firefox is doing a good job i think, but there are limitations too |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: btw, already checked out firefox-qt? look horrible -.- |
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<ronny> |
the main reason for vala over c# is massivly smaller memory footprint |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: firefox-qt is dead? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: well, there are more reasons i think |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: no, now it's really becomming famous |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: why? |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: for anything else its mostly the same for me |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: a lot blogs/news about it lately |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: why? no development takes place or am i mistaken? |
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<sebner> |
ronny: don't forget the non windows users that don't want a .exe ^^ |
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<ronny> |
sebner: who cares |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: AFAIK it's becomming more and more |
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<sebner> |
ronny: really not that less |
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<ronny> |
sebner: anyone whos a pussy about the extension is a troll anyway |
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<sebner> |
hrhr |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: i think the only thing they did was updating the qt port to the latest xul changes for firefox 3 to run |
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<sebner> |
ronny: don't forget the pseudo MS haters |
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<ronny> |
those are trolls, too |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ |
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<sebner> |
ronny: sure |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: that's what's running since 2003 |
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<mitsuhiko> |
just updated to firefox3 |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i think they revived it somewhat for their mobile browser |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i seriously doubt they will maintain a qt backend on the long run for anything except gecko itself |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: nokia -> trolltech -> ff |
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<mitsuhiko> |
trolltech is nokia now |
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<sebner> |
I know |
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<sebner> |
Isn't nokia behind this ff.qt thing? |
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<ronny> |
but they got webkit thats working way better with qt |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: is it? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i thought the gtk port is far more stable these days |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i thought the trolltech guys just forked webkit ;) |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: at least ephiphany is more stable with it then with gecko ^^ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: because the gnome guys suck at writing browsers |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: its based on khtml, and is c++ish, there was a stable qt integration since ages |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: well. i thought qt had it's own khtml based rendering engine |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: maybe but also konquerer doesn't seem to be a killer app |
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<ronny> |
but afair every now and then they pull a webkit into qt base |
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<mitsuhiko> |
quite frank i don't care what happens in qt land |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: gnome, gtk FTW!!!!!!! :P |
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<ronny> |
pretty much |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: gtk# for sure |
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<sebner> |
and also GTK# |
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<sebner> |
argh |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: :) |
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<ronny> |
hmm, i think i will prefer vala |
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<sebner> |
hrhr |
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<ronny> |
its more compatible to non .net |
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<sebner> |
lol |
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<ronny> |
and gobject-introspection should fix the rest |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: you surely prefer vim but I think MD is getting better and better :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i'm closely watching the development of both |
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<ronny> |
does ironpython expose the c# compiler? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: in what sense? |
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<ronny> |
as in getting a ast from the source |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: i use monodevelop to create makefiles for my projects |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: nice, and stetic ftw! |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: ironpython exposes all assemblies |
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<mitsuhiko> |
and yes, you can use it to generate code as far as i know |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: pida could use some c# integration, too ;P |
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<sebner> |
ronny: and this gnome with with "A*" |
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<ronny> |
(ie error finder, class browser, project gen) |
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<ronny> |
hmm, i recently started getting into gazpacho |
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<ronny> |
i wonder if i should port it to vala ;P |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: there are plans to integrate mono 2.0 into intrepid if it's in time. finally a reason for you to upgrade :P (Self compiling sucks :P) |
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<ronny> |
i just upgraded to it |
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<ronny> |
gio in pyygtk !!!! |
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<sebner> |
ronny: mono or intrepid? |
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<ronny> |
intrepid |
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<sebner> |
ronny: I never used something else :P |
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<sebner> |
however, gn8 folks |
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<ronny> |
n8 sebner |
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infobob on #python uses paste.pocoo.org ;) |
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any suggestions for creating a url "slug"? For example, I want to convert "my blog article title & something" to "my-blog-article-title-something". I know I could do this with a regular expression replacement, but I was wondering if there was already something out there |
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I'm here now, in reference to http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/pocoo/irclogs/2008/08/15#T20:57:10 |
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<thatch> |
birkenfeld: ping regarding pygments release |
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<tux21b> |
mitsuhiko, have you already thought about a solution for the recursive loop + cycle problem? |
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Kaelten: awake by chance? |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: peng |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: pengo! |
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<birkenfeld> |
how are you? |
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<asmodai> |
Fine thanks! |
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<birkenfeld> |
great :) |
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<asmodai> |
You? :) |
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<birkenfeld> |
quite well |
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<birkenfeld> |
sun shines again |
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<asmodai> |
not here |
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rainy day? |
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<asmodai> |
nah, not that either |
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<asmodai> |
overcast |
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<birkenfeld> |
there was one? didn't know that |
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<asmodai> |
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<davidcramer> |
Anyone know anything about port triggering (in a router)? |
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<tux21b> |
isn't it something where the first outgoing requests sets up triggering for that port, so that future request can use it? |
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<davidcramer> |
thats what i assumed, but it has a from range and a to range |
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<davidcramer> |
where as port forwarding is just the from range |
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<davidcramer> |
just wondering if its going to work the same and i set the to range ot the same thing as the from range |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: I'm alive now |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: heya :) |
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<Kaelten> |
hi |
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<birkenfeld> |
thatch: there? |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: I had a question wrt wowace back then |
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<Kaelten> |
kk |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: couldn't remember my action bars addon: bartender |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: oh, weird thing |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: xparky |
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<Kaelten> |
? |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: doesn't seem to listen to /xparky at all |
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<Kaelten> |
no clue |
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<asmodai> |
yeah, will check it out |
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<Kaelten> |
should ping the author of that addon. |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: but damn, some of those descriptions suck ass |
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<apollo13> |
mitsuhiko: btw until 200-ok and internal redirect work in mod_wsgi, I am going to use mod_xsendfile |
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<apollo13> |
achieves pretty much the same for me :) |
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<apollo13> |
if you remember our discussion last time |
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<mitsuhiko> |
apollo13: isn't that pretty much exposed through wsgi.file_wrapper? |
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<apollo13> |
hmm let me note it down, I'll take a look tomorrow |
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<apollo13> |
mitsuhiko: yeah looks like to be, and I think sendfile is causing not much overhead, although it's running through your app (which in fact might be the only problem, as the thread/processes would be occupied for normal app-request). Or am I mistaken |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it shouldn't |
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<mitsuhiko> |
mod_wsgi provides the file_wrapper and can kill the process and continue serving it via sendfile |
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<mitsuhiko> |
at least that's what i suppose it does |
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<prencher> |
say the magic word and he appears |
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<prencher> |
grumpy ! |
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<apollo13> |
he, fair enough |
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<prencher> |
still waiting for the day where that actually works |
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<apollo13> |
n8 |
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<tux21b> |
prencher, *g* |
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<tux21b> |
but i think you must be in a really desperation and he will appear suddenly (or just write a mail) |
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<prencher> |
he has some really lame execuse these days, a baby or some such nonsense ;) |
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<tux21b> |
jap :) |
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<tux21b> |
mitsuhiko, i am having a tp blog now, when do you follow? :) |
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<birkenfeld> |
tux21b: where? |
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<tux21b> |
tux21b.org |
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<mitsuhiko> |
tux21b: wohoo. custom theme :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
tux21b: xapian search for core! |
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<CIA-42> |
python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65786 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/directives/other.py: Index quick fix. |
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<tux21b> |
it's currently a plugin. i only added a after-post-saved event. btw, the pluginsystem is great :) |