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<tux21b> |
mitsuhiko, but you haven't answered my question. when do you follow? *g* |
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<mitsuhiko> |
tux21b: hopefully soon ;) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
not that i don't trust my code ^^ |
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<tux21b> |
hmm, but you don't want to provide migrations as long as you are not using it, right? ;) |
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<thatch> |
birkenfeld: pong... I'll be here around 14h from now |
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dennda will migrate to textpress soon, too |
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<dennda> |
I have already two plugins in mind I want to write |
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<dennda> |
and SoC ends in 18 hours and I will be freeee again! freeeee like a biiiird! :-) |
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<dennda> |
dammit :'( |
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<asmodai> |
now |
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<asmodai> |
that's nifty: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o2P8f2uamuU/SKS1ebEYFQI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/iPDiDTHYaHc/s1600-h/New_British_Coinage_2008.jpg |
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<mitsuhiko> |
asmodai: i hate british coins |
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<mitsuhiko> |
they make no sense at all |
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<maze> |
they should just use Euro's |
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<maze> |
and stop pretending they're special |
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<asmodai> |
hahaha |
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<asmodai> |
mitsuhiko: they make sense in an imperial design |
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<asmodai> |
mitsuhiko: God shave the Queen! |
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<mitsuhiko> |
why in gods name is a 2 pence about the same in size as a 50 pence coin, however a 5 pence one is smaller than one euro cent? |
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<maze> |
it's true that it's better to have an imperial pint than a metric one |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that's ridiculous |
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<maze> |
and why is there no 2 GBP coin? |
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<asmodai> |
there is |
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<asmodai> |
just not on the photo |
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<asmodai> |
since it didn't change |
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<maze> |
aha |
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<maze> |
it still feels like being in the middle-ages having to change money when flying to the UK |
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<asmodai> |
heh |
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<maze> |
hell, even in Hungary they accept Euro's at more places |
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<maze> |
London, Cardiff, etc. are also fine, but for example in Cambridge it's suddenly a problem |
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<xorAxAx> |
at some places you probably want to avoid using euros |
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<xorAxAx> |
otherwise somebody will wage war at you |
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<xorAxAx> |
esp. if you are dealing oil |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it's astonishing how they can continue using those ridiculous imperial units even though they have the metric system for more than 15 years... |
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<xorAxAx> |
huh |
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<xorAxAx> |
its much worse in the US |
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<asmodai> |
mitsuhiko: At least Ireland made the switch |
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<mitsuhiko> |
xorAxAx: what is worse? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the us don't have the metric system |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the uk does |
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<xorAxAx> |
mitsuhiko: well, good point, still bad to have any non-metric system |
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<mitsuhiko> |
yeah |
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<rocky> |
here in eastern canada there is still more imperial unit use then i'd like... fortunately it's mostly the older generation (schools can't use imperial) |
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<prencher> |
mitsuhiko - at the point yet where you maintain schema migration sql for new releases of tp? |
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rocky woud like to know that too |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.reddit.com/comments/6wsz4/this_is_what_you_get_for_hating_perl/ |
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<aa_> |
prencher, dennda, rocky: perhaps at 1.0? |
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<rocky> |
yuck ;) |
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<aa_> |
perhaps 0.1 |
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<aa_> |
dennda: then write it :) |
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<dennda> |
I am not sql-savvy |
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<aa_> |
use one of the new sqla migration tools? |
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<rocky> |
did something recently (as in last couple weeks) change regarding teh schema ? |
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<rocky> |
*the |
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<aa_> |
no, there has only bee one incompatible change AFAIK |
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<aa_> |
and that was a couple of months ago |
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<rocky> |
great :) |
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<aa_> |
"AFAIK" |
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<aa_> |
I don't keep track of dev at the moment |
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<aa_> |
I use a very old, but very stable version |
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<aa_> |
(before mitsuhiko took a knife to it) |
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<rocky> |
haha |
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<rocky> |
everyone i show textpress too (in the python community) talk about how amazing it is and ask why they've never heard of it ;) |
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<prencher> |
well it's unlikely there will be any sort of big userbase without migration for upgrades |
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<rocky> |
step #1 is doing a release and supporting that release ;) |
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<dennda> |
it's not a question "if migration is ever supported", but "when" it is |
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<aa_> |
perhaps these days something like a document db would be a much better solution for a blog |
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<aa_> |
and then forget about migrations and schemas and all that crap |
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<rocky> |
sql migration isn't so bad as long as you do it when you make the sql changes |
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<rocky> |
and i believe that data stores that don't take into account "structure" changes that need to be migrated are doom to keep no-longer-used crap indefinitely (/me can say that from experience with the zodb) |
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<rocky> |
*doomed |
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<aa_> |
rocky: yeah, perhaps |
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<prencher> |
just do like ronny, aa_.. start advocating storing everything in hg |
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<aa_> |
prencher: that's actually the first sensible idea I have ever heard come from your fingertips |
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<prencher> |
that makes one more sensible idea than you, then |
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<ronny> |
oO |
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<aa_> |
prencher: so true |
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<mitsuhiko> |
empty: i somehow have the feeling everytime i say something about the template engine in #django-dev everybody ignores me :-/ |
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<empty> |
they do mitsuhiko :) |
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<empty> |
but the thread thing is big |
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<empty> |
i mean i wouldn't want reprocessing each time. |
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<empty> |
render |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it's pretty strange because everybody says "templates are not the bottleneck", yet django spends most time in the parsing and evaluation loop of templates |
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<mitsuhiko> |
and i wouldn't want to see the threading problems in django 1.0 |
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<empty> |
the same thing was true of rails. |
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<empty> |
probably still is, haven't checked in a while |
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<mitsuhiko> |
well. erb is a piece of strange, strange code :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it has the quality of web2py's template engine |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i really wonder why nobody replaced erb in rails so far |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hmm. actually i think they did |
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<prencher> |
mitsuhiko - well their loss, really.. i mean theres plenty of evidence to point at the template engine as the biggest bottleneck in django |
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<mitsuhiko> |
guess i'll try to wire up a patch for it later that day |
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<mitsuhiko> |
off now |
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<prencher> |
patch for what mitsuhiko? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
django's template engine |
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<aa_> |
make-django-nice.diff |
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<aa_> |
7 lines of code by mitsuhiko |
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<mitsuhiko> |
5000 lines delete and from jinja2 import * or what? :) |
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<prencher> |
+hg clone http://dev.pocoo.org/hg/jinja2-main |
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<aa_> |
<cough>ashammer |
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<aa_> |
ok I took it too faqr, didn't I |
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<prencher> |
whats ash ammer |
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aa_ whistles |
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<prencher> |
at the moment its more work to use glashammer than just using the apis directly :/ |
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<apollo13> |
mitsuhiko: just reading the backlog, what have you been trying to explain in django-dev? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
apollo13: that django's template engine is not thread safe in at least two places |
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<mitsuhiko> |
one is cycle and the other one block |
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<apollo13> |
isn't that well known? |
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<apollo13> |
ah I see oO no response |
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<mitsuhiko> |
apollo13: guess so, they are reparsing the templates each rendering |
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<apollo13> |
typical |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but that's ridiculous |
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<apollo13> |
be with us or be against us |
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<mitsuhiko> |
holy crap: http://java.sun.com/j2se/javadoc/writingdoccomments/index.html#curly |
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<mitsuhiko> |
are people actually using ms word for java development? Oo |
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<apollo13> |
btw you could write up those issues on lucumur |
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<apollo13> |
you are still in the django community section, aren't you? |
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<prencher> |
apollo13 - django has too strong a 'not invented here' mentality unfortunately |
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<prencher> |
unless one of the core developers goes and greenlights something.. seems like not much happens |
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<apollo13> |
prencher: yeah the best example is the orm I think |
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<prencher> |
apollo13 - i have no issues with them having their own apis.. i actually think thats a good thing |
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<apollo13> |
well in some cases yes |
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<prencher> |
but there seems no interest in e.g. replacing the tempalting engine with a proper one.. rather than the mess of regexp & co they have now |
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<prencher> |
if i recall, djangos templating could actually be implemented on top of jinja2's awesome runtime with fair ease |
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<apollo13> |
hmm, I talked with jacob about this once |
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<prencher> |
would have to ask mitsuhiko |
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<apollo13> |
well template tags modifing the context could be a problem as jinja2 is compiling it |
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<apollo13> |
but yeah mitsuhiko really knows it better... |
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<prencher> |
someone just needs to make an admin system on top of sqlalch and wsgi |
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<prencher> |
and we'd be rolling |
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<mitsuhiko> |
apollo13: even that would work as long as the template tags know at compile time which variables they set |
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<mitsuhiko> |
{% load %} would take some work to implement though |
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<apollo13> |
well you got import too, I don't think load would cause problems |
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<mitsuhiko> |
apollo13: currently jinja has no concept of supporting per template filters or per template extensions |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that could be changed of course, but i don't want to do it myself because i don't like the idea of that |
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<apollo13> |
I see |
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<aa_> |
mitsuhiko: you could have some special context variables |
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<aa_> |
or is that too hacky |
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<apollo13> |
but it's just a change, it wouldn't be such a problem |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: When you are around again, any addon that you know of (preferably within Ace) that shows the quiver bag in numbers over 999 as well? I remember one doing 1.1k or so |
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<asmodai> |
mitsuhiko: where did you hide birkenfeld? |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: I think OneBag did |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: Mmm, perhaps something else is overriding it |
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<apollo13> |
genious: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/08/17/10-futuristic-user-interfaces/ |
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<asmodai> |
I get * at the moment |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: oh btw, <3 for OneBag/OneBank |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm |
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<Kaelten> |
thanks :) |
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<Kaelten> |
working on a new version for WotLK |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: you in the beta? |
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<Kaelten> |
*nods* |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: ah nice |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: I noticed with recent patches they added a ton of UI refinement |
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<asmodai> |
s |
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<Kaelten> |
ya tons of stuff has changed. |
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<asmodai> |
Most for the better |
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<Kaelten> |
ya |
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<asmodai> |
Haven't played in about a year now |
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<asmodai> |
Seems Blizzard is learning still ;) |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: at one point I was working on this: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/wowapi/wowapi.html |
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<asmodai> |
Autogenerate the entire inheritance tree for the API. |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: I helped co-author this : http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470229810/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211233359&sr=8-1 |
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<asmodai> |
oh wow |
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<asmodai> |
didn't even know there was a book |
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<Kaelten> |
:) |
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<Kaelten> |
came out a few months back |
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<asmodai> |
hahaha, LFG cover |
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<asmodai> |
nice |
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<prencher> |
a fecking book for an addon api? oh dear |
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<asmodai> |
prencher: WoW is big business. |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: :P |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - indeed it is, still that suprises me |
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<Kaelten> |
its had pretty decent sales so far |
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<Kaelten> |
publisher is talking about a second edition |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: I remember the API changing pretty often with the patches though. |
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<Kaelten> |
yep, thus my last statement |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: but it seems most niches are already filled |
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<apollo13> |
oO wow programming, yet another way to get banned? |
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<asmodai> |
apollo13: Why? It's Lua. :D |
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<asmodai> |
Lua's schweet |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - are they doing anything significant with the ui in wotlk? |
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<asmodai> |
prencher: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
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<apollo13> |
asmodai: sure it is, but I know of some people getting banned, just because of using the api in a way blizard didn't like |
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<asmodai> |
Heh, builtin GroupCalendar ey |
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<Kaelten> |
apollo13: there are very few addons that could get people banned |
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<asmodai> |
apollo13: Oh sorry, I thought you meant the channel |
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<apollo13> |
Kaelten: yeah but it's fun getting banned through testing your own work ;) |
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<Kaelten> |
generally speaking anything that you can do in lua is legit, even if frowned upon |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: the main API coder @ blizz is quite openminded -- can't remember his bleedin' name though |
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<apollo13> |
of course they did something wrong, but they don't know what |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: if yer refering to slouken, he's not actually on that team, hehe. |
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<asmodai> |
eh? |
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<asmodai> |
slouken isn't? |
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<Kaelten> |
apollo13: I doubt that. |
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<asmodai> |
I always thought he was :| |
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<asmodai> |
He's just a sockpuppet for the real devs? ;) |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: no, I forget his exact title. he's a good guy though, met him a few times. |
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<Kaelten> |
I think he was more involved near the beginning |
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<apollo13> |
Kaelten: doubt it, or whatever you want, I know it first hand... (but that obviously doesn't make the api bad) |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: ah ok |
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<Kaelten> |
apollo13: what where you/they testing? |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: anyway, I still want to create a good online reference. |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: wowprogramming.com :) |
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<apollo13> |
Kaelten: I don't know exactly I never really played wow |
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<Kaelten> |
ah, so not first hand ;) |
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<prencher> |
render = web.template.render('templates/'); render.index(foo) .. web.py is so obscure |
| [19:01:11] |
<apollo13> |
Kaelten: lol, to be honest I wan't really interested in it, it just poped up as you mentioned the api |
| [19:01:46] |
<Kaelten> |
prencher: I had a friend checking out webpy I told him to look at werkzeug instead |
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<prencher> |
good lad |
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<Kaelten> |
hehe |
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<Kaelten> |
I am so sick of html |
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<prencher> |
still better than writing ui code =( |
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<aa_> |
oh I disagree |
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<aa_> |
UI is way nicer |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: jeez, someone finally did it |
| [19:03:18] |
<asmodai> |
Kaelten: last reference I knew was some wiki, I think wowwiki or something similar |
| [19:03:21] |
<asmodai> |
horribly outdated |
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<Kaelten> |
ya wowwiki |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: wowprogramming is the books companion website. :) |
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<asmodai> |
if Xparky is actually expecting /Xparky (if I read it well), then I'll kill it |
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<Kaelten> |
basically an overglorified errata |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: ahhh, that explains |
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<asmodai> |
errata is good |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
nope not on wowprogramming. |
| [19:05:06] |
<Kaelten> |
on a side note, wowprogramming.com is written in lua |
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<prencher> |
hehe |
| [19:05:18] |
<prencher> |
what, LuaCGI? |
| [19:05:52] |
<Kaelten> |
some sort of standard thats aparently somewhat based on wsgi |
| [19:05:52] |
<prencher> |
wow, nice login error message "You must be logged in to edit a page! Try again!" |
| [19:05:54] |
<prencher> |
that makes...no sense |
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<prencher> |
interesting.. never heard of that for lua |
| [19:06:42] |
<prencher> |
is the forum lua based too? |
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<Kaelten> |
ya |
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<Kaelten> |
jim used sputnik as the basis |
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<Kaelten> |
http://sputnik.freewisdom.org/ |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: to find the / command, I needed to look for something starting with 'slash' or is it that options thing nowadays? |
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<Kaelten> |
here it is wsapi |
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<Kaelten> |
http://wsapi.luaforge.net/ |
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<Kaelten> |
influenced by ruby's rack and pythons wsgi |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - that looks quite nice |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: ya, its interesting, hehe |
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<prencher> |
same old issue with lua though.. lack of pythons stdlib |
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<ronny> |
pythons stdlib aint that nice |
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<prencher> |
stdlib and cheeseshop and you have pretty much everything you'll ever need... particularly compared to lua thats huge |
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<asmodai> |
ok, so leguin.freenode just died under my ass |
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<prencher> |
indeed it did |
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<prencher> |
lose some weight kiddo |
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<asmodai> |
:P |
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<asmodai> |
Pray I don't sit on you |
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<prencher> |
i do |
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<prencher> |
every night before bed |
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<apollo13> |
mitsuhiko: I looked at your apache performance post on lucumr now, what's the wsgi setup for that one? (how many processes/threads) |
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<asmodai> |
Good |
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<gbr> |
moin! |
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<asmodai> |
prencher: if you're nice enough I'll sit on davidcramer for a change |
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<prencher> |
ill code anything to make that happen |
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<prencher> |
apollo13 - got a link for that post? |
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<apollo13> |
prencher: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/cogitations/2007/09/30/pushing-apache-performance/ |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: how much do you know of bartender? |
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<Kaelten> |
nev is a good friend of mine |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: can an addon be coded to only support, say, bt3? |
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<Kaelten> |
not sure what yer refering to |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: well, this xparky has a 'create bar' function, but with bt4 it's not creating anything |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: my best guess: version differences |
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<Kaelten> |
ah, ya possible |
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<asmodai> |
unlimited lag |
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<apollo13> |
he |
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<prencher> |
it's a feature apollo13 |
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<prencher> |
to make you more productive |
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<apollo13> |
well, but cutting my internet would be cheaper and even more productive ;) |
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<apollo13> |
hmm it seems as if there dns server is fucked up |
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<apollo13> |
I think they didn't apply the latest bind update |
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<apollo13> |
the source randomness caused some more cpu usage iirc |
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<gbr> |
hey asmodai |
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<gbr> |
a riddle! |
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<gbr> |
(like, ask me anything and you will be eaten up) |
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<asmodai> |
Liek a Grue? |
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<gbr> |
in any case, the three letters are meaningful |
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<gbr> |
no, more like a Sphinx |
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<gbr> |
asmodai: come on, it isn't hard :) |
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<davidcramer> |
wait, sit on me |
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<davidcramer> |
what'd i do |
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<prencher> |
gbr - clearly it is green banana republican |
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<gbr> |
:) |
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<apollo13> |
or Germinated brown rice? |
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<apollo13> |
:þ |
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<gbr> |
I wouldn't recommend eating green bananas |
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<gbr> |
teeth tend to get stuck in them |
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<apollo13> |
you tried? |
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<apollo13> |
hehe |
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<gbr> |
not exactly |
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<gbr> |
but there are those "cooking bananas" |
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<gbr> |
which look exactly like green standard bananas |
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<apollo13> |
u, yeah I know them |
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<apollo13> |
not a good idea |
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<gbr> |
indeed |
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<gbr> |
hm, maybe I've scared asmodai away |
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<asmodai> |
gbr: no |
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<asmodai> |
gbr: one word: Strings |
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<davidcramer> |
well time to try out |
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<davidcramer> |
err |
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<davidcramer> |
http://gruppler.dojotoolkit.org/ |
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<davidcramer> |
you guys seen this? |
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<mq> |
Okay, I'm more or less back from vacation. Although I haven't slept for the past 36 hours. |
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<maze> |
jay, incorporated a ansi->png renderer in textpress |
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<gbr> |
asmodai: as in, fiddle? |
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<asmodai> |
:) |
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<asmodai> |
The scorpion part is nice |
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<prencher> |
empty - nifty new twid site |
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<empty> |
prencher: thanks. it needs a lot of work but it's a start |
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<prencher> |
I would say it looks a wee bit generic, but not in a bad way |
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<prencher> |
empty - built on anything specific, or just a custom django site? |
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<empty> |
prencher: just django right now. |
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<empty> |
the next phase will include bringing in pinax and building on that. |
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<empty> |
but we didn't want to wait for beta stability. |
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<prencher> |
hehe, the postback for comments with errors needs a *little* bit of styling ;) |
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<ronny> |
url? |
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<empty> |
prencher: ah |
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<empty> |
thanks |
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<mitsuhiko> |
empty: and i was hoping i could "sell" you textpress ;) |
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<empty> |
hmm, that would be a hard sell. :D |
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<empty> |
mitsuhiko: i got enough grief about using rails :) |
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<empty> |
I might use textpress for my blog though. |
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<empty> |
I want to look at it. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
have you used mephisto before that? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
empty: does mephisto have an export format= |
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<empty> |
mitsuhiko: i'm using mephisto now |
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<empty> |
for my blog |
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<asmodai> |
so, when you have a class and you let another class inherit it. You then create an overriding method for your class, can you still call the superclass' method easily? I reckon with some super() construct, right? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
asmodai: either ParentClass.method(self) or super(self, ThisClass).method() |
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<mitsuhiko> |
actually super(ThisClass, self).method() |
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<asmodai> |
mitsuhiko: which one would be nicer from a style point of view? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i don't know |
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<mitsuhiko> |
people shoot me if i use the first one, others say i'm doing it wrong when chosing the second form |
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<mitsuhiko> |
i think the first one is less harmful but doesn't do well with MI |
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<asmodai> |
MI? |
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<asmodai> |
ah |
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<asmodai> |
multiple inheritance |
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<asmodai> |
mmm, this is SI |
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<empty> |
mitsuhiko: that always confused me as well. |
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<ronny> |
just choose what you need, and document that you used exactly that |
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<empty> |
That's the great thing about python, there's only one way to do something. err. |
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<ronny> |
(and why) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the problem with super() is that it would work better if there python would have support for method overloading |
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<mitsuhiko> |
so that super could select the best implementation |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: you mean stuff like method-combination in lisp? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: i have no idea about lisp ;) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the problem is that when using super + MI it's nearly impossible to change the signature of a method |
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<asmodai> |
gbr: Why the nickname change btw? |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: method combination means if 2 base classes got different methods of the same name that fit the combined arguments (each method handles a different part) of the current class, it invokes both |
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<mitsuhiko> |
""" |
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<mitsuhiko> |
In Ubuntu Christian Edition the sin() function has been removed from libm.""" |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hahaha |
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<ronny> |
lol |
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<mitsuhiko> |
asmodai: apaprently he's still connected to his bouncer on one computer |
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<mitsuhiko> |
or not |
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<mitsuhiko> |
"""In Ubuntu Christian Edition Novell's e-mail program has been renamed "Creation". """ |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: method combination is one of those features that are very unlikely to ever hit a language like python |
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<mitsuhiko> |
"""Ubuntu Christian Edition's chmod doesn't allow 666 permission to be set. (tnx to Jonas)""" ^^ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
holy crap: http://www.ubuntume.com/ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that's really getting out of hand |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: though many ubuntu -devs says that's good because maybe they find a bug which no one else has find before xD |
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<mitsuhiko> |
http://www.jewbuntu.com/ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Oo |
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<mitsuhiko> |
gosh. port is so slow |
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<mitsuhiko> |
it's compiling mono since more than 4 hours |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: that's long though it also needs here some time (10-20 minutes) |
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