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[00:53:22] <dennda> hm I could use something like a decorator in jinja (for macros)
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[00:57:00] <aa_> dennda: depends what you are doing maybe "call" can help
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[00:58:57] <dennda> aa_: http://the-space-station.com/~dennda/gallery/screenshots/tss_preview.png
[00:59:07] <dennda> As you can see, I use those boxes all over the place
[00:59:20] <dennda> their border is a 3-color thing
[00:59:24] <maze> dennda, je moeder!
[00:59:54] <dennda> I realized that with three nested divs and more for the content and title of the box
[01:01:15] <dennda> aa_: the problem now is, that my post-boxes should have an additional div for comments, date, tags, .... The other boxes will need special behaviour, too. Now I wonder how I do that most elegantly. I could define different macros and copy the nested divs all over the place, or I could make one big giant macro special casing everything
[01:01:33] <dennda> and doing a lot of {% if posts %} ... {% endif %}
[01:01:50] <dennda> But I hope there is a better solution. I only use jinja since yesterday :-)
[01:02:51] <dennda> hm so indeed, call looks good after reading the first sentence
[01:03:10] <aa_> dennda: by the sound of it, it may do what you want
[01:03:15] <dennda> yes
[01:03:35] <dennda> I will create a "put three divs around this one" macro
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[01:11:54] <dennda> hm no that's difficult, too
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[01:57:25] <dennda> hm
[01:57:47] <dennda> I didn't quite get how textpress knows which block to replace by what child block when using jinjas inheritance
[02:07:44] <dennda> Hm, if I copy index.html from the top level templates folder and modify it a bit, saving it in my plugins templates/ direcotry, it isn't used. The top level template is used :-(
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[02:15:08] <dennda> hm the theme development guide isn't of much help either
[02:23:06] <dennda> ok by some magic and prayers it does now. dunno why it didn't a few minutes ago
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[02:41:13] * dennda needs a url / file mapping
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[04:00:18] <dennda> Some of the default template files are horribly indented...
[04:04:36] <dennda> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83073/
[04:04:43] <dennda> The above is how I indented it now
[04:04:58] <dennda> the second is teh original :-/
[04:08:58] <guillermo_> but probably they idented like that to avoid blankspaces when the template is rendered
[04:10:10] <dennda> jinja2 has {%- ... -%}. The dashes say: remove whitespace there
[04:23:33] <guillermo_> ah, it's nice, sorry i come from django's templates :)
[04:24:43] <dennda> me too :-)
[04:24:49] <dennda> working for the first time with jinja
[04:25:04] <dennda> redundancy in default templates...
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[10:54:31] <mitsuhiko> wohoo: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/
[10:55:20] * asmodai eyes mitsuhiko
[10:55:37] <asmodai> jesus
[10:56:14] <asmodai> that site design sucks ass on 1920x1200
[10:56:22] <asmodai> like 1/3rd of the view port is not used :S
[10:56:56] <plaes> you have way big monitor :)
[10:57:28] <asmodai> I do :D
[10:58:00] <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: hail sphinx? :)
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[11:13:06] <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: yep
[11:42:37] <asmodai> monopoly!
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[16:46:25] <dennda> ah, the default template files are hardcoded
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[16:48:03] <dennda> website/tpweb/urls.py -- here we go :-)
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[16:52:13] <CIA-43> Pygments: gbrandl trunk * 642:c3d65e413421 / (CHANGES pygments/__init__.py): 0.11 release preparation.
[16:52:13] <CIA-43> Pygments: gbrandl trunk * 643:8adf0e664739 /.hgtags: Added tag 0.11 for changeset c3d65e413421
[16:59:16] <birkenfeld> release time!
[17:00:22] <mitsuhiko> cool :)
[17:05:15] <saptah> ¿guys, there are more werkzeug examples, besides the ones on the trackc
[17:05:20] <saptah> ¿? thanks
[17:06:24] <mitsuhiko> saptah: there are applications developed with the help of werkzeug that are open source where you can look at
[17:06:32] <mitsuhiko> for example textpress and lodgeit in the werkzeug trac
[17:07:12] <saptah> mitsuhiko great, thx
[17:17:05] <CIA-43> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65991 /doctools/trunk/TODO: Add todo item.
[17:17:05] <CIA-43> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65992 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/ (sphinx.po sphinx.mo): Updated Czech translation.
[17:17:06] <CIA-43> python-doctools: georg.brandl * r65993 /doctools/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:17:06] <CIA-43> python-doctools: Merged revisions 65640,65675,65699,65701 via svnmerge from
[17:17:06] <CIA-43> python-doctools: svn+ssh://pythondev@svn.python.org/doctools/branches/0.4.x
[17:17:08] <CIA-43> python-doctools: ........
[17:17:10] <CIA-43> python-doctools: r65640 | georg.brandl | 2008-08-11 16:11:17 +0200 (Mon, 11 Aug 2008) | 2 lines
[17:17:12] <CIA-43> python-doctools: More info in intro.
[17:17:14] <CIA-43> python-doctools: ........
[17:32:09] <dennda> mitsuhiko: I got {% if post.comments %} {{ post.comments }} {% endif %}, and for {{ post.comments }} it renders []. How can that be? Isn't this the same behaviour as in python?
[17:32:55] <dennda> (the same with ... is defined)
[17:35:43] <mitsuhiko> dennda: it's the same behavior
[17:35:53] <mitsuhiko> must be a bug on your side :)
[17:36:36] <dennda> mitsuhiko: It's a slightly modified standard textpress template
[17:36:56] <mitsuhiko> paste the template
[17:37:13] <mitsuhiko> dennda: btw
[17:37:20] <mitsuhiko> are you sure it's [] and not [<Comment foo>]?
[17:37:35] <dennda> mitsuhiko: Not sure, is there some repr()?
[17:37:36] <mitsuhiko> make it {{ post.comments|e }} for a moment
[17:38:43] <dennda> ah you are right. strange thing is, the comment isn't rendered. But as I am typing this it strikes me that I should check whether I need to moderate comments
[17:39:08] <dennda> ah yes :-)
[17:39:11] <dennda> thanks
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[17:50:40] <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: TP got widgets back yet?
[17:50:50] <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: been away from channel
[17:51:05] <mitsuhiko> not yet
[17:51:53] <dennda> hm? what widgets?
[17:52:20] <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: k
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[18:21:11] <CIA-43> Werkzeug: mitsuhiko default * 604:4c1e326e9420 / (CHANGES werkzeug/contrib/atom.py): Fixed #338.
[18:24:59] <birkenfeld> mitsuhiko: why is textpress-main's contact "unknown" on http://dev.pocoo.org/hg/ ?
[18:25:31] <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: ah. because i forgot to add it after i installed the fixed repository from tux21b
[18:25:57] <mitsuhiko> i was able to push corrupted changesets and the #mercurial guys had to fix the repo with a script :-/
[18:26:10] <birkenfeld> uh...
[18:26:12] <birkenfeld> not nice :)
[18:27:07] <mitsuhiko> fixed :)
[18:27:27] <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: btw. what's phsh?
[18:27:40] <birkenfeld> something you can type in
[18:27:46] <birkenfeld> >>> `1 m` + `1 cm`
[18:27:49] <birkenfeld> and get 101 cm
[18:27:55] <birkenfeld> very handy for physicists :)
[18:28:18] <mitsuhiko> cool :)
[18:28:21] <mitsuhiko> does it use units?
[18:28:23] <xorAxAx> where is the code again?
[18:28:29] <mitsuhiko> not in the repo at least
[18:28:33] <birkenfeld> xorAxAx: in 3 minutes, in the new repo
[18:28:38] <xorAxAx> new?
[18:28:48] <mitsuhiko> http://dev.pocoo.org/hg/phsh/
[18:29:00] <xorAxAx> ah
[18:30:52] <birkenfeld> done
[18:31:29] <xorAxAx> thanks root :)
[18:31:46] * mitsuhiko added archive to everything now
[18:33:32] <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: from Scientific.Physics.PhysicalQuantities import PhysicalQuantity
[18:33:33] <mitsuhiko> what's that?
[18:33:42] <birkenfeld> it's Scientific python
[18:33:44] <xorAxAx> scipy
[18:33:45] <birkenfeld> (!= scipy)
[18:33:48] <xorAxAx> ah
[18:33:51] <xorAxAx> hail names
[18:33:56] <birkenfeld> yeah, that's dumb
[18:34:02] <xorAxAx> at least its not py
[18:37:41] <birkenfeld> "all your generic name belong to us"
[18:37:49] <birkenfeld> i/are/
[18:39:22] <xorAxAx> are all your generic name belong to us :)
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[18:43:06] <birkenfeld> mitsuhiko: repo creation just got easier
[18:43:16] <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: a script? :)
[18:43:21] <birkenfeld> yes
[18:44:51] <mitsuhiko> nice :)
[18:45:10] <birkenfeld> I find I create a repo surprisingly often ^^
[18:47:26] <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: i usually create it locally and scp it to the server
[18:47:34] <mitsuhiko> and copy a hgrc from another repo over :)
[18:47:48] <xorAxAx> do you have an american keyboard layout, birkenfeld?
[18:47:58] <xorAxAx> or at least nodeadkeys=
[18:48:04] <birkenfeld> xorAxAx: yes, nodeadkeys
[18:48:15] <birkenfeld> why?
[18:48:31] <xorAxAx> because that makes it still a shift-key op to get the backticks into the pysh expr
[18:48:39] <birkenfeld> yes
[18:49:00] <mitsuhiko> ... but it looks nice :)
[18:49:08] <birkenfeld> do you have an alternative for german layouts?
[18:49:11] <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: real man have scroll lock mapped to ` :)
[18:49:12] <birkenfeld> # perhaps?
[18:49:19] <mitsuhiko> eh. ´
[18:49:33] <birkenfeld> #1m# is not very readable IME
[18:49:33] <mitsuhiko> s/man/men/ too
[18:49:49] <xorAxAx> mhmm, i once suggested something
[18:49:55] <xorAxAx> to use * IIRC
[18:50:17] <birkenfeld> which is a shift key too?
[18:50:46] <xorAxAx> not on the numeric key pad :)
[18:50:59] <xorAxAx> yes, my point was just that i had to remember my last idea
[18:51:43] <xorAxAx> so it would probably only annoy windows users
[18:51:55] <birkenfeld> math operators are not very sensible for that
[18:52:01] <xorAxAx> why not?
[18:52:16] <xorAxAx> its very natural to interpret linear units as a factor
[18:52:17] <birkenfeld> well, they tend to occur in such expressions :)
[18:52:34] <xorAxAx> agreed
[18:52:54] <birkenfeld> also, 1/`2m` would either be 1/2/m or 1/(2*m)
[18:53:05] <birkenfeld> the former is ugly, the latter is more typing :)
[18:53:31] <xorAxAx> how about (1/2*m)? :)
[18:53:38] <birkenfeld> that's 1/2 m
[18:53:43] <xorAxAx> modulo brackets
[18:53:49] <birkenfeld> not 1/2 m^-1
[18:53:52] <xorAxAx> indeed
[18:56:42] <xorAxAx> birkenfeld: now you only need an integration of your favorite cas
[18:56:54] <xorAxAx> to get integrals and derivatives easily :)
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[20:44:45] <asmodai> birkenfeld: dude!
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[20:54:59] <apollo13> davidcramer: http://www.davidcramer.net/code/224/logging-in-with-email-addresses-in-django.html can you give me any reason for inheriting from modelBackend?
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[20:57:32] <apollo13> AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS is a tuple, so you can use many backends and the don't need to reimplement everything, just implementing the authentication function is fine
[20:57:46] <dennda> Hm, I got a macro that accepts `content` as string and renders that. Now I have an object `children` which is a list of children objects. each of those children objects has a .title attribute. With my macro, I want to render a <ul> of those children.titles and associate them with their respective url. Any idea how to best do that? mitsuhiko perhaps? :-)
[21:04:06] <davidcramer> apollo13: made sense to inherit it since it does the same thing, just a diff auth method
[21:04:19] <davidcramer> there's a get_user method and what not in modelbackend i think
[21:04:26] <davidcramer> and might be other stuff, not sure
[21:05:13] <apollo13> davidcramer: it does the same thing yes, but don't inherit and use both classes in Authentication_backends
[21:05:45] <apollo13> by dividing it you could use your backend for the user retrival and another (ldap based for instance) for permissions
[21:06:11] <apollo13> without walking over the has_perm (or whatever) method in your backend which it doesn't aim to provide at all
[21:07:37] <davidcramer> it only executes has_perm on the backend in which they logged in with
[21:07:43] <davidcramer> it sets user.backend when they login
[21:07:59] <apollo13> wtf?
[21:07:59] <davidcramer> (at least thats my understanding)
[21:08:02] <apollo13> would be now to me
[21:08:07] <apollo13> and I wrote that code
[21:08:34] <davidcramer> I don't understand why you wouldn't inherit here, its the same as ModelBackend
[21:08:36] <apollo13> at least it wasn't planed that way let me check
[21:08:54] <apollo13> you don't get my point
[21:09:12] <apollo13> use this: AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = ('EmailAuthBackend', 'ModelBackend')
[21:09:27] <apollo13> in this case you are fine with your approach
[21:09:33] <apollo13> but think about this
[21:09:44] <apollo13> AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = ('EmailAuthBackend', 'LdapPermissionBackend')
[21:10:09] <apollo13> now user.has_perm would query your email backend without any effect
[21:10:15] <dennda> nevermind, created a new macro. means code duplication but I don't know any better way
[21:10:34] <apollo13> cause you don't use django to handle them
[21:10:39] <apollo13> but ldap (in this example)
[21:10:39] <davidcramer> ah i get what you're saing
[21:10:42] <davidcramer> that's a bit complicated behavior
[21:10:45] <davidcramer> (just looked at the code)
[21:10:47] <apollo13> so you would issue a query for nothing
[21:10:58] <apollo13> yeah but that's how I wanted it to work :)
[21:11:19] <apollo13> generally saying implement what you need and just inherit form `object`
[21:11:23] <davidcramer> when i read about backends it wasn't clear ot me thats how all this would work
[21:11:25] <apollo13> and use more than one backend
[21:11:28] <davidcramer> ya i looked at the source :)
[21:11:53] <apollo13> I was quite happy by the time this patch got accepted saved me a lot of work...
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[21:12:10] <apollo13> (previously I was syncing ldap permissions on login with django)
[21:12:13] <davidcramer> ah
[21:12:16] <apollo13> ugly....
[21:14:20] <davidcramer> sometimes I just want to fork django because they wont accept certain patches
[21:14:41] <apollo13> yep, same here, but I would like to see sa in it ;)
[21:14:57] <davidcramer> ive ended up subclassing a good chunk of core components in our codebase already -.-
[21:15:01] <davidcramer> and im going to have to do more
[21:15:15] <davidcramer> i was hoping with their .save() change create() would no longer do a select, but it still does, so i gotta switch all our models to use the custom queryset
[21:15:43] <apollo13> create does a select? why
[21:15:51] <davidcramer> if you pass a value for the pk it does
[21:15:57] <apollo13> ah
[21:15:58] <davidcramer> and if that pk exists in the db it updates instead of erroring
[21:16:06] <davidcramer> which makes me want to throw stuff out the window :)
[21:16:39] <apollo13> we don't have this problem, we always use ids as pks
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[21:16:46] <apollo13> and noone can enter them....
[21:16:50] <apollo13> bye :þ
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[21:17:13] <davidcramer> wrong button :)
[21:17:15] <apollo13> birkenfeld: btw http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/
[21:17:17] <apollo13> XD
[21:20:28] <davidcramer> im glad the file storage/upload changes are finally in trunk
[21:20:39] <davidcramer> if you get everything running off of that kind of extensibility django will rock
[21:20:58] <davidcramer> even though last I loked they still needed some tweaks
[21:22:02] <apollo13> the question is if it's running at all after this whole extensibility ;)
[21:22:21] <davidcramer> it is :) I run trunk in production, haha
[21:22:40] <apollo13> yeah but I wait for request/response object customisation :þ
[21:23:09] <davidcramer> It'd be nice to be able to properly stream a response, but beyond that i dont have any usecases for changes
[21:23:21] <davidcramer> as you can use middleware for most things
[21:23:48] <apollo13> yeah, was just joking
[21:24:06] <apollo13> at least the mysql binary thing is finally out again
[21:25:57] <davidcramer> ya
[21:26:00] <davidcramer> that was killing one of my apps :)
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[21:28:49] <apollo13> didn't kill anything here :) using case sensitive collations already I didn't felt anything
[21:29:04] <davidcramer> i was using utf8_bin but it will still causing conflicts
[21:29:17] <davidcramer> i would get different result set #s with BINARY foo vs just foo
[21:29:20] <davidcramer> can't explain it
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[21:38:39] <dennda> s0undt3ch: what widgets did you mean?
[21:47:16] <birkenfeld> asmodai: hey!
[21:48:07] <asmodai> birkenfeld: hola!
[21:48:17] <asmodai> birkenfeld: I wonder if I might catch up to you ;)
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[21:48:46] <birkenfeld> asmodai: in what sense? :)
[21:49:27] <asmodai> birkenfeld: I'm reading Midnight Tides
[21:49:35] <birkenfeld> oh, then it's likely
[21:49:47] <asmodai> :)
[21:49:53] <birkenfeld> I've just passed the revelation about Lady Envy
[21:50:02] <asmodai> I must say, the story is so much more understandable now
[21:50:21] <asmodai> since I couldn't remember that Trull said he would tell the story when he reached the destination with Onrack
[21:50:25] <asmodai> and Midnight Tides is that story
[21:50:34] <birkenfeld> ah, indeed
[21:50:51] <birkenfeld> but not only
[21:51:49] <asmodai> no ok
[21:53:42] <birkenfeld> asmodai: did you keep track of the various relationships between the Tiste lords, gods, etc.?
[21:53:52] <birkenfeld> because I'm sure I can't remember much of this soon :)
[21:54:23] <asmodai> birkenfeld: I'm trying
[21:54:30] <asmodai> I need to update
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[22:50:39] <thatch> birkenfeld: still around?
[22:50:51] <birkenfeld> thatch: yep
[22:53:21] <thatch> birkenfeld: there's one changeset that didn't make it into the 0.11 pygments release, it seems
[22:53:57] <thatch> http://code.timhatch.com/hg/pygments-tim/rev/6f65e1b8fb2d
[22:54:27] <thatch> trac < http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7485 will probably choke without it
[22:59:23] <birkenfeld> hmm, bad
[22:59:59] <thatch> although it seems to be behaving on my production server with older trac 0.11, it didn't work on my dev box earlier
[23:00:11] <CIA-43> Pygments: thatch trunk * 644:6f65e1b8fb2d /pygments/lexers/other.py: Add missing alias for sqlite3 lexer.
[23:00:11] <CIA-43> Pygments: gbrandl trunk * 645:63632d034095 /pygments/lexers/other.py: Merge with TIm.
[23:00:26] <birkenfeld> thatch: it's not too late for rerelease I guess :)
[23:00:48] <CIA-43> Pygments: gbrandl trunk * 646:385d85c9dfc6 /.hgtags: Added tag 0.11 for changeset 63632d034095
[23:01:14] <thatch> the bugs this release are mine too :)
[23:02:00] <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: btw. happy release :)
[23:02:25] <birkenfeld> sphinx is tomorrow
[23:04:31] <thatch> neat
[23:05:15] <thatch> I tried using v0.4.2 (with sphinx-quickstart) and it overwrite a Makefile. Is that by design?
[23:06:00] <birkenfeld> well, it's not supposed to be used with an existing tree
[23:06:37] <thatch> so normal usage is mkdir doc && cd doc && sphinx-quickstart?
[23:06:53] <birkenfeld> sphinx-quickstart already asks for a directory
[23:07:09] <thatch> birkenfeld: yes, and defaults to '.' :)
[23:07:13] <birkenfeld> yes
[23:07:46] <birkenfeld> it may use a warning before it overwrites, that's true
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[23:08:22] <unlink> wow... tuples in jinja2... it's so wonderful
[23:08:37] <unlink> i can now make a macro called "navigation"
[23:25:13] <pjenvey_> doh, really needed that fix for jython in pygments 0.11 = [
[23:55:45] <birkenfeld> pjenvey_: was there a fix needed?
[23:56:03] <birkenfeld> must have missed that
[23:56:20] <dennda> virtualenv not available in etchs repos?
[23:58:45] <birkenfeld> pjenvey_: I see
[23:59:00] <mitsuhiko> grml. i'm too stupid for sql
[23:59:07] <birkenfeld> pjenvey_: is the patch tim wrote okay with you?
[23:59:38] <mitsuhiko> does anyone know a nice way to optimize this query: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/NI3MO4lTpsZzgqSuCnr9/ ?