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29. 08 2008

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[00:30:51] <rocky> did something change with the latest pygments such that it doesn't guarantee to return at least one alias now for get_all_lexers() ?
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[01:04:20] <birkenfeld> rocky: that was a problem in 0.11 -- 0.11.1 fixes this
[01:09:36] <rocky> ah
[01:09:47] <rocky> the changelog doesn't mention the fix :(
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[02:36:06] <CIA-38> Zine: mitsuhiko default * 470:10eace475ec4 /zine/ (7 files in 5 dirs): A few small fixes everywhere.
[02:36:47] <dennda> still awake? :-)
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[02:40:09] <mitsuhiko> dennda: fixing inyoka stuff :-/
[02:43:26] <dennda> ah ic
[02:45:00] <dennda> it could be worse
[02:48:01] <pjenvey> mitsuhiko - ah, i think reddit hid his comment from me because of the score. lol
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[09:50:13] <asmodai> mmm
[09:50:37] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: zine?
[09:50:51] <asmodai> Of all the names
[09:50:53] <plaes> :D
[09:50:55] <asmodai> you pick zine? :|
[09:51:29] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: great huh?
[09:51:35] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: No.
[09:51:37] <asmodai> Sorry.
[09:51:54] <asmodai> I understand the magazine link, but...
[09:52:20] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: My faith in you has taken a beating now.
[09:52:25] <mitsuhiko> haha
[09:52:34] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: i'll rename it every release :P
[09:53:02] <asmodai> But seriously, I don't think it is that great, there were better suggestions (and I am not even referring to my own).
[09:53:15] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: like?
[09:53:24] <mitsuhiko> i like that this name has no meaning at all :)
[09:53:55] <plaes> "A zine (an abbreviation of the word fanzine, or magazine; pronounced [ziːn], "zeen") is most commonly a small circulation, non-commercial publication of original or appropriated texts and images."
[09:54:29] <mitsuhiko> plaes: that was the idea, but i changed the pronunciation and now it has no meaning at all
[09:56:19] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: if i'm back from holidays and you still hate the name we can rename it another time ;)
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[09:57:15] <asmodai> hahaha
[09:57:17] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: that would be bad
[09:57:21] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: stick with it
[09:57:31] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: too many changes is bad for your product
[09:59:52] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: i could do it like the mozilla guys
[10:00:02] <mitsuhiko> after the second rename of the project the name of the browser is now in a constant
[10:00:35] <asmodai> hehehe
[10:06:30] <asmodai> mmm
[10:07:50] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: dude
[10:08:02] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/zine-doc.diff
[10:08:25] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: check the diff though. my initial scan showed it to be correct
[10:13:27] <prencher> mitsuhiko - what was that redirect / token stuff you wanted to do in wtforms?
[10:17:47] <prencher> mitsuhiko - damn you have a lot of stuff in application.py
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[11:09:57] <mitsuhiko> prencher: if you submit a form or click on cancel that you go back to the page you are coming from unless it's a blacklisted page, if there is no referrer it goes to a default page
[11:10:09] <mitsuhiko> that's what IntelligentRedirect does currently
[11:10:19] <mitsuhiko> the token thing is to prevent csrf attacks
[11:17:05] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: saw the patch eh?
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[11:33:52] <prencher> mitsuhiko - extending Form to add such behaviour should be pretty straightforward
[11:34:19] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: thanks. applying that now
[11:34:56] <CIA-38> Zine: mitsuhiko default * 471:c7fa1f83ec49 /zine/shared/admin/style.css: Minor admin style fix
[11:34:56] <CIA-38> Zine: asmodai default * 472:1403c9ce7976 /docs/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Fix up various TextPress/textpress references.
[11:35:16] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: Hope I caught 'm all
[11:43:26] <mitsuhiko> wow
[11:43:29] <mitsuhiko> jquery got a new website
[11:44:54] <asmodai> wow
[11:45:01] <asmodai> that's a change
[11:45:52] <asmodai> schweet
[11:47:41] <asmodai> oh
[11:48:17] <asmodai> I wonder how big a step 1.2.6 to 1.5.2 is.
[11:49:38] <asmodai> ah wait, that's UI
[11:56:44] <CIA-38> Zine: mitsuhiko default * 473:95b7f634aac9 /zine/views/admin.py: Fixed keep_aspect_ratio (#68)
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[12:18:04] <prencher> asmodai - holy shit at the new jquery site
[12:18:25] <prencher> oh that was mitsuhiko, even still..
[12:18:33] <prencher> i liked the old better honestly.. this looks very.. ick
[12:18:51] <plaes> aww...
[12:19:05] <asmodai> yea
[12:19:14] <asmodai> I am disliking the graphic
[12:19:27] <prencher> yeah.. it has that very..pretencious look to it i guess?
[12:19:31] <prencher> like we're cool and hip
[12:19:46] <prencher> the logo itself i mean.. not the rock star thing
[12:20:35] <prencher> also that whole Download ( jQuery ) ; button crap.. ick
[12:20:49] <prencher> just feels desperate :
[12:22:40] <hads> Not a huge fan of the main animation graphic but the rest seems okay
[12:23:13] <hads> Oh, and the "Rock Star" thing isn't really me
[12:23:37] <asmodai> the problem for me is that that rock star image causes me to scroll down to read more
[12:23:40] <prencher> it just reaks of some sort of PR guy coming along that doesnt understand anything and told them what would be cool
[12:23:53] <asmodai> and the site seems to use only 50% of the available screen width :(
[12:23:57] <asmodai> I hate site like that
[12:24:00] <asmodai> sites
[12:24:34] <prencher> asmodai - well theres ups and downs to that
[12:24:41] <asmodai> sure enough
[12:25:01] <prencher> for one, it's not very easy to scale designs to infinite width
[12:25:17] <prencher> even if you solve the graphics "problem", theres still issues of readability
[12:25:37] <CIA-38> Werkzeug: beewee default * 606:8f08fd00fc7b /werkzeug/contrib/cache.py: built in "key_prefix" for MemcachedCache, fixed a bug in int() and dec()
[12:25:52] <prencher> asmodai - that said though..
[12:26:04] <prencher> they do it in a way where the content seems veeeery constrained
[12:26:06] <prencher> it doesnt feel open at all
[12:26:24] <highwaychile> mitsuhiko, done: http://dev.pocoo.org/hg/werkzeug-main/rev/8f08fd00fc7b
[12:27:54] <prencher> CIA stole your thunder
[12:36:45] <checkm> hi, i'm using pygments and i need to convert code in html without css... i mean using only <span> tag, like tohtml.com
[12:39:55] <checkm> how can i do?
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[13:25:22] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: so when you leaving? :P
[13:25:30] <mitsuhiko> in five minutes
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[13:25:51] <asmodai> hehehe
[13:26:22] <mitsuhiko> mq: http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/zine/wiki/ZeroPointOne
[13:27:46] <plaes> how many strings are currently to translate?
[13:28:09] * dennda will try to do that notification stuff today
[13:28:42] <dennda> oh funny you didn't even add that to the list :-)
[13:28:55] <dennda> but it's good to have such a list
[13:29:20] <mitsuhiko> plaes: to german? all are translated by now
[13:29:31] <mitsuhiko> but it's a bad german and an even worse english
[13:29:46] <mitsuhiko> full of typos and mistakes. someone has to go over that and fix the mistakes first :)
[13:30:14] <asmodai> mmm
[13:30:19] <plaes> no, I mean in pot-file..
[13:30:25] <asmodai> I wonder when my company will appear on the PSF sponsor page
[13:30:39] <asmodai> been a while since my colleague sent them email about being a corporate sponsor
[13:31:44] <plaes> oki.. g2g
[13:32:32] <dennda> mitsuhiko: I can take care of the translation things. There is no single file containing them all, as far as I have seen. Is there?
[13:33:11] <mitsuhiko> dennda: ./scripts/update-translations ./scripts/extract-messages ./scripts/compile-translations
[13:33:17] <dennda> mitsuhiko: thanks
[13:33:19] <mitsuhiko> extract-messages creates the messages.pot for update-translations
[13:33:24] <dennda> perfect
[13:33:26] <mitsuhiko> and to add a new lang it's ./scripts/add-new-language i think
[13:33:31] <dennda> what about a translation to latin?
[13:33:41] * dennda runs
[13:33:41] <mitsuhiko> sure. go ahead :)
[13:33:47] <dennda> no thanks
[13:33:57] <dennda> by the way, Lorem Ipsum would have been a great name :D
[13:34:33] <prencher> im sure theres already about 500 apps out there named that
[13:34:44] <prencher> also it just sound cheesy for a name dude :P
[13:35:23] <mitsuhiko> the best part about zine is that it's easy to write
[13:35:26] <mitsuhiko> from zine.api import *
[13:35:27] <mitsuhiko> ^^
[13:44:49] <ronny> hmm
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[13:45:13] <spoob> hey
[13:45:40] <spoob> how can i translate zine to german?
[13:46:06] <ronny> i think there are at least 3 people on that already ;P
[13:46:30] <dennda> Well I'd rather do the notification part than that :-)
[13:46:40] <dennda> spoob: Is it only english and german you speak fluently?
[13:47:18] <spoob> i speak a bit spanish too, a bit
[13:48:29] <dennda> Well there already seems to be a translation to German, but both versions (German and English) contain (as mitsuhik_o said) a lot of typos and such things that need to be ironed out. If you want to do that, go ahead!
[13:54:47] <mitsuhiko> general translation workflow: open the .po file with a po-editor such as poedit and go ahead editing
[13:54:57] <mitsuhiko> updating with ./scripts/extract-messages && ./scripts/update-translations
[13:55:08] <mitsuhiko> to add new languages ./scripts/add-new-language fr for example
[13:55:13] * prencher pokes mitsuhiko for debugger!
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[14:04:59] <spoob> german is already complete translated rigth?
[14:06:38] <ronny> yup, as most people here speak german native ;P
[14:06:56] <spoob> hmm ok
[14:09:25] <dennda> but as said: proofreading / spellchecking of both, german and english is still necessary
[14:10:06] <spoob> k
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[14:16:35] <dennda> Hi EnTeQuAk
[14:16:41] <EnTeQuAk> hey dennda
[14:17:05] <dennda> Want a bit of the Zine birthday cake?
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[15:01:28] <asmodai> The cake is a lie.
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[15:24:37] <dennda> ok actually it is good that it was renamed to something not starting with a "t"
[15:24:44] <dennda> makes tab completion easier
[15:26:27] <ronny> empty: wow, i just started diving into gitpython, and it looks rubyish, and unpythonic
[15:26:40] <empty> ronny: thanks
[15:26:43] <apollo13> hehe
[15:26:47] <apollo13> dejavue
[15:27:00] <empty> ronny: that might be because it was a direct port of grit the ruby lib
[15:31:23] <ronny> hmm, what i dont get is why the heck tree/"foobar" instead of tree["foobar"]
[15:32:07] <apollo13> ronny: that might be because it was a direct port of grit the ruby lib ;)
[15:32:42] <ronny> hmm, 1:1 ports suck ! :/
[15:33:05] <ronny> is there any way to get complete status information about the working tree ?
[15:33:18] <ronny> i just started fixing the git backend of anyvc
[15:33:55] <delroth> hey, would it be a good idea to colorate SQL queries in PHP code with Pygments ?
[15:34:35] <ronny> delroth: how to you decide what is a fucked up string, and what is html?
[15:34:40] * dennda creates a ticket
[15:34:42] <ronny> s/html/sql/
[15:34:53] <delroth> ronny: well... mysql_query, pgsql_query, all these functions
[15:35:15] <ronny> that doesnt help if people create the sql string somewhere else
[15:35:18] <ronny> and many do
[15:35:18] <delroth> of course
[15:35:32] <delroth> but many do not as well
[15:37:23] <ronny> hmm, a sqlalchemy highlighter would be nice, too
[15:41:01] <ronny> apollo13: how to get status informations about files in the workdir ?
[15:41:12] <apollo13> ronny: no idea :þ
[15:41:19] <apollo13> better ask empt​y
[15:41:19] <dennda> http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/zine/ticket/84
[15:41:21] <dennda> comments?
[15:41:25] <ronny> empty: ping?
[15:41:53] <ronny> empty: bascially i need informations about the workdir for the filemanager in a ide
[15:42:18] <empty> ronny: let me see
[15:42:44] <empty> ronny: you want to know what's been changed
[15:42:47] <ronny> i found some stuff in git-ls-files, but its weird and doesnt work
[15:43:12] <ronny> empty: changed/ignored/removed/deleted/added/unknown , the whole set
[15:43:43] <apollo13> git status ;)
[15:44:20] <ronny> apollo13: i need it parsable from python
[15:44:32] <apollo13> I know, that's one of git's main problems
[15:46:27] <empty> ronny: yeah we don't have that integrated it looks like
[15:46:39] <empty> i mean we can return it to you
[15:46:43] <empty> but it's not parsed
[15:46:50] <empty> we should alter the blob to have a status
[15:47:08] <empty> although that wouldn't work either
[15:47:20] <empty> because we only get stuff git knows about.
[15:48:27] <ronny> yay for me :(
[15:48:44] <ronny> guess i will have to do more hack to get git going in anyvc :/
[15:48:57] <empty> yeah that way you can make it pythonic
[15:48:59] <empty> :P
[15:49:11] <ronny> well, anyvc's api is pythonic
[15:49:15] <ronny> just the git backend not
[15:49:23] <empty> right
[15:50:15] <empty> ronny: there's another python lib for git out there. He basically copied ours but maybe he has support for it.
[15:50:37] <empty> apollo13: do you remember the name?
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[15:51:28] <apollo13> you mean http://gitorious.org/projects/pyrite?
[15:51:38] <apollo13> but that's something else...
[15:52:06] <apollo13> empty: what's that? http://gitorious.org/projects/gitalicious
[15:52:20] <empty> nothing, move along
[15:52:21] <empty> :P
[15:52:32] <apollo13> ha found it ;)
[15:52:40] <empty> nah just something I was playing around with in order to test out the git-python stuff.
[15:52:47] <empty> and django-sqlalchemy
[15:53:10] <empty> apollo13: It's a good test.
[15:53:17] <apollo13> obviously
[15:53:29] <empty> I've got another one in process that is actually built on werkzeug / SA / mako
[15:53:46] <empty> but it's only on my computer :)
[15:54:11] <empty> I like it as a reference application for testing things out.
[15:54:43] <apollo13> why mako?
[15:54:47] <apollo13> do you need the speed?
[15:55:28] <mq> mitsuhiko: shouldn't we perhaps use the ticket system instead of a wiki page for the 0.1 todo?
[15:56:19] <dennda> mq: I think he's gone for greece now
[15:56:29] <mq> oh
[15:56:35] <empty> apollo13: I needed some functionality
[15:56:48] <empty> I started it with jinja2
[15:56:57] <empty> but couldn't do some things
[15:57:10] <empty> plus it was an excuse to learn mako
[15:57:14] <dennda> mq: but yeah, I think that'd be better. I already created a ticket and assigned myself for some task he told me would be 0.1ish, but he didn't add that to the list.
[15:57:34] <dennda> mq: But in order not to do things twice...
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[18:25:31] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: peng
[18:25:43] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, kapongggggggg.....
[18:26:11] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/zine/ticket/84 -- comments?
[18:26:35] <dennda> I can't annoy mitsuhik_o since he's in greece for a week, so now you are my victim :-)
[18:26:37] <EnTeQuAk> oO did I miss something? What's zine?
[18:26:52] <EnTeQuAk> ah, the new TextPress name?
[18:26:59] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: TextPress transformed intooooooooo mega-zine
[18:27:14] <EnTeQuAk> gnaa and armin did not blog about that
[18:27:16] <dennda> I told you this afternoon to take a pice of the zine happy birthday cake
[18:28:09] <EnTeQuAk> oh I missed that message ;)
[18:28:13] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, is something left?
[18:28:16] <dennda> anyway, I am eager to get that notification layer done and I would appreciate some feedback before I drift into the wrong direction
[18:28:25] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: left for what? 0.1?
[18:28:44] <EnTeQuAk> from the cake for me
[18:28:46] <dennda> ah
[18:28:47] <dennda> sure :-)
[18:29:22] * dennda passes on cake in small pieces, suitable for duck beaks
[18:29:55] * EnTeQuAk flies around and picks them up
[18:30:25] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, well, I propose that you add the right infrastructure into zine-core
[18:31:25] <EnTeQuAk> so that the core can call the events for that (I think it's better to create new events for raising instead of using `after-post-created` and so on...)
[18:31:37] <dennda> hm
[18:31:51] <EnTeQuAk> so we can use very various message-systems
[18:31:53] <dennda> lemme push my initial idea
[18:32:05] <dennda> I stubbed some code out
[18:32:07] <dennda> just a sec
[18:32:36] <EnTeQuAk> not just mail or jabber but other systems... (what ever i imagined)
[18:33:18] <EnTeQuAk> what I hate is that there is no native database support for plugins
[18:33:51] <EnTeQuAk> in the early stages there was some very simple support for that (see the old pages plugin)
[18:35:19] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: http://www.bitbucket.org/dennda/zine-dennda/changeset/84cd8f543ee6
[18:35:26] <dennda> very very basic, just brainstorming
[18:36:27] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, but that's the way I thought about
[18:36:40] <dennda> you read that quickly
[18:38:06] <dennda> too quick! :-)
[18:41:05] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, but you hit my mind exactly ;)
[18:41:22] <dennda> hm ok
[18:41:37] <dennda> Then one of too cases applies:
[18:42:05] <dennda> a) You are too lazy to think about my code and design and just say it's ok
[18:42:10] <dennda> b) I am brilliant.
[18:42:21] <dennda> I think it's b) :-)
[18:42:56] <dennda> thanks ducky
[18:43:33] <EnTeQuAk> for my it's b 'cause I would create that kind of feature exactly the same way
[18:44:24] <dennda> kohl
[18:44:37] * dennda continues
[18:56:20] <dennda> but you are right, EnTeQuAk. This will need database support :-|
[18:59:59] <dennda> LOL
[19:00:27] <dennda> I just received a comment on my preview blog I forgot to put into maintainance mode again saying "boy, your theme rocks!" X-)
[19:02:25] <EnTeQuAk> well, armin and myself were just thinking about a new lodgeit design with *no* buttons ;)
[19:02:39] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, simplicity seems to be a new trend we all goes ;)
[19:02:55] <dennda> that theme is not simple
[19:03:23] <dennda> it's not fancy, though
[19:03:36] <EnTeQuAk> dennda, you're not using the very default theme?
[19:03:46] <EnTeQuAk> then, show me that theme ;)
[19:04:15] <dennda> oh I thought you'd already seen it
[19:04:21] <dennda> ok let me turn off maintainance mode again..
[19:04:47] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: http://the-space-station.com/
[19:04:54] <dennda> boy my 20.000 dsl connection sucks
[19:05:03] <dennda> it's not finished yet
[19:05:14] <EnTeQuAk> haha, the colorchooser rocks!
[19:05:43] <dennda> it needs to set a cookie or something though
[19:05:54] <dennda> when you change the page the default color is used again
[19:05:57] <EnTeQuAk> anyway it just rocks! ;)
[19:06:17] <dennda> heh thanks
[19:07:27] * dennda enables maintainance mode again
[19:08:05] * prencher was thoroughly underwhelmed by the colour chooser!
[19:08:16] <prencher> EnTeQuAk said it up like this web 3.5 thing, and it just changed the background
[19:08:17] <prencher> i was robbed.
[19:08:19] <prencher> ROBBED i say
[19:08:56] <EnTeQuAk> lol
[19:09:01] <EnTeQuAk> I like it ;)
[19:09:21] <dennda> Is the RFC for web 3.5 already out there?
[19:10:55] <EnTeQuAk> well, what should that contain? A colorchooser as a default-implementation that every browser serves along with their javascript implementation? :D
[19:13:09] <EnTeQuAk> hmm, I need to adapt that color-chooser for my freaky blog
[19:13:54] <dennda> hahaa I HAVE A PATENT
[19:13:58] <EnTeQuAk> but I not need to change the colors but the images that are shown (ducks, swans or birds or something like that)
[19:14:04] <dennda> oh damn I shouldn't have said that
[19:14:11] <dennda> will be hard to sue you now
[19:14:30] <dennda> well it's easy. just a few lines of JS
[19:16:01] <EnTeQuAk> a click-callback and a tag-replacing, I know ;)
[19:20:55] <dennda> somebody take care of per-plugin database support please :-�
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[20:26:15] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: Is there some way the callback specified in app.connect_event(event, callback) can know what event caused the call?
[20:27:21] <dennda> EnTeQuAk: what event, that is
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[22:35:41] <apollo13> birkenfeld: what was it? dsa; kernel update?
[22:35:53] <birkenfeld> no, some obscure problem with the NIC
[22:37:30] <birkenfeld> else there would have been some notice before :)
[22:44:50] <xorAxAx> and there was some kind of amnesia given the current situation of the init scripts, otherwise i would have shut down the domUs cleanly before rebooting
[22:45:59] <xorAxAx> a pity, 200 days uptime lost, because of realtek.com.tw
[22:46:41] <apollo13> ey their site is down too :)
[22:47:25] <apollo13> wtf they require you to use www.realtek.com.to :/
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[23:44:31] <dennda> empty: thou shalt not chat as root
[23:44:55] <apollo13> dennda: I already told him last week
[23:44:56] <empty> ah
[23:45:04] <empty> hehe
[23:45:08] <empty> that's just one of my extra servers
[23:45:25] <empty> I should change it but oh well
[23:45:29] <apollo13> that doesn't change anything ;)
[23:45:30] <dennda> oh so no worries if someone exploits your client and sends 10k spam mails per minute %-)
[23:45:37] <empty> i don't care.
[23:45:41] <empty> :D
[23:45:54] <dennda> law does, in most countries :-)
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[23:56:41] <empty> there, you happy :)